Flamestrike is very bad while it has 3 sec cast spell
I can’t do that with ignite either
Make flamestrike 1,7 sec cast or apply Pyroblast with AoE too
And Fireball with 1,5 sec cast, there is nothing wrong with that
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Yes, Buff fire mage harder!
It only is the nr1 M+ spec (AOE) atm 
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Flamestrike is already really broken because Flame Patch exists and the general Crit-mechanic from Fire mage (forgot the name).
Imo they could should nerf Flamestrike with 5% but buff Flame Patch a little bit, so it’s harder to output such insane numbers but still be very very strong if played correctly.
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Woah buddy it seems you’ve been out of the loop for a while now.
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Check out WCL M+ rankings.
and now? ^^ fire mage “isnt nr1 m+ specc (AOE) atm” according to WCL.
you might confused yourself with destruction warlock here.
(i would recommand to use raider io for m+ comparisons and rankings thought)
I’d like to see less ‘‘damage potential’’ and more actual, consistent damage.
It’s great that Fire can do well on big pulls in high keys, but for your Average Joe, there’s basically no point playing Fire, it’s got: -
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Only a minor amount of cleave damage
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Better than average ST damage
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Sub tank AoE damage on an average pull (outside of cooldowns)
I personally play Arcane because it’s got better ST damage, faaaaar better average AoE damage (especially with 4 set and Uhr cooldown redux), and at least some cleave damage.
I can’t say anything about Frost, as I’ve yet to try it in an M+ run but it does well on dummies.
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Best ST in the game going by the skolex logs. SKB does make your damage more consistant and the massive uptime on combustion hugely improves your cleave.
They don’t take fire in high keys for the aoe they take it for the ST/prio dmg… and db.
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People need to differentiate from what’s best in MDI to your average gamer.
Agree, fire mages need a buff. Currently, if you play perfectly in m+ 20+ keys you are still getting greatly outdpsed by locks and hunters that can play with their eyes closed and still be ahead of you in damage done by miles. Mage aoe and cleave need a buff. A single target dps is ok.
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If you are playing Venthyr that is but in M+ 98.7% of fire mages are playing Night fae. Makes sense since is the best mix of single target and aoe. Even then you are very reliant on pi.
I mean both frost and arcane can probably do better focus damage than fire since they don’t need to sacrifice their entire aoe if they are required to focus an add. Right now fire isn’t really great at anything in m+.
Kindling Fae isn’t that far behind Clasm Vent on single target. With SKB your combustion uptime is massive which gives you plenty of cleave when your prioritising a target or you can switch to flamestrike if you don’t need to. Also when you are ST combusting prio targets combustion comes off cd so fast.
Frost relies on big pulls to funnel for prio, it has very little cleave above 2 targets. I don’t think arcane excels at cleave/funnel but I’m really not up to date with it, from what I’ve heard the set up time and 4set make it awkward to play in keys.
That doesn’t mean fire is weak by any means. It is prety strong even, it just means Survival and Destro WLs are hella overtuned… Fire mage is in the top ST damage classes with a very solid AOE damage mixture…
EDIT: Alot of classes can’t choose between having a mixture or bieing “good” at both.
The only reason Fire mages are not often included in the top groups right now is because Warlocks and Surv Hunters are so stupidly overtuned… This added with the utility (and exodia buffed DMG) of a Monk and you have a full overtuned group.
EDIT2: Looking at WCL and Raider io there are quite alot of Fire mages in the Top top top groups… (Before you say it’s only one: There are more then only the 1 chinese group).
Fire mage is ALOT more represented in these groups then Frost.
Is that not just to give destro lock the int buff?
Fire mage can do good overall while doing the ST work, it ST combusts the shards and rotguts of the world which leaves the survivals and warlocks to aoe. We’re ranged rogues without the utility but we do more ST when there’s no funnel. Also its getting to the point where its about living individual mechanics at these key levels and mages are very good at that.
…Also we buff warlocks 
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if the 5% int buff is better then bringing a second (or third) lock the mage is not that far behind damage wise if it’s still worth bringing them along.
Warlock aoe is insane but Mage is great for making sure that prio targets die and got stuff like dragons breath to aoe cc stuff
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R.I.P auto spread ignite 
should autospread during combustion at least
Honestly, because of all the headache autospread ignite gave me in Legion raids and m+ I’d rather not have it and rely on flamestrike+flame patch for AoE. I still remember how it would pull trash during the serpent boss in EoA if I damaged the adds.
Auto spread was great when compared to the current abomination that is phoenix flames.
I laugh a little every time someone says they’d rather have 0 effective cleave than a slight inconvenience that auto spread brings.
I don’t think our cleave is that bad atm with skb and 4set. It’s not great but its not bad. Of course we won’t have 4set for 10.0 and we are back to square one.
I used to say I thought conflag and living bomb should be mechanics to spread ignite. Would make them fun choices against flame patch in that row but with the talent shake up we’ll just have to hope we have some options for more cleave.
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Neither SKB nor 4set do practically anything for our cleave. Ignite uptime on secondary targets barely reaches 33%, in comparison to 100% that auto spread offers.