Yep, now 90%+ of the time we’ll have enough opportunity to do finisher > generator > finisher.
And the Divine Storm and Wake of Ashes buffs are good too!
2 Likes
Now we are talking !
Just a hint Blizzard, the whole spec need a major redesigns on next Expansion , its not fun at all !!
2 Likes
we will have like 70% seraphim uptime
and with DS and wake of Ashes i think this will change our stats crit Mastery
sigh… need to change some Items then 
isnt it a redundant work ?
Like it was planned 2 sec Seraphim
Then It went up to 3 sec Seraphim
After that it became 4 sec Seraphim
If its something that obviously not good , how hard to accept it and change it ??
2 Likes
Well the set bonus just needed tuning, 2 sec was too short, 3 sec was fine, but 4 is needed since we’d probably fall behind their target DPS for ret, they could have buffed something else, but it’s fine to do this.
1 Like
but 4 is needed since we’d probably fall behind their target DPS for ret
just to confirm this will not move the paladin anywhere near S / A classes.
However it will upgrade Ret from D tier to C+ or B- tier.
Still there will be a major misconception between the community about how weak is Ret, and most wont get accepted in hardcore content (M+ 20s or Mythic Anduin and next bosses)
Idk how much it will matter, but a buff is a buff. Besides the 2set buff there’s also the DS/WoA buff, so it’ll add up.
Ret will never be S tier, so whatever.
1 Like
Retri is kinda hard to tune
Any percentage buff i will accept it
Fluffy math we got like some good stuff 3-4% st dmg 9-10% aoe
Also many are siming crusade seraphim / crusade/DP
Atleast they buffed us! I was in a state of euphoria, after all theese years they buffed us! Light has not forsaken us after all.
1 Like
Ret paladin doesn’t need tuning it needs COMPLETE REWORK with wotlk mindset or legion
2 Likes
It would be enough to change the 4p of the set from “Art of War has a 50% chance to reset the cooldown of Wake of Ashes instead of Blade of Justice.” to “Art of War has a 50% chance to give Wake of Ashes an extra charge for 10 seconds instead of resetting the cooldown of Blade of Justice.”
To adjust the ret pala set and make it much more interesting and versatile.
It would be enough to change the 4p of the set from “Art of War has a 50% chance to reset the cooldown of Wake of Ashes instead of Blade of Justice.” to “Art of War has a 50% chance to give Wake of Ashes an extra charge for 10 seconds instead of resetting the cooldown of Blade of Justice.”
Could of be a good idea.
Im not sure if anyone did a calculation for the upcoming changes.
It seems that the current build would result on average/ below average ST.
We had our big ST dmg coming from FR-ES ==> this was massive , but looking at the build now, it can give the flat/ steady damage away from high burst we used to do in SOD, but still cant pull the old style High ST.
I feel very buffed to be honest.
Alert:
Buff didnt improve anything , Ret is still Dog Sh** 
In fact while 70% player has got their 4 Set, our true dmg is showing now.
And we are above TankS : YAAAY:
So this was the plan from the beginning , D-tier meant to be , thats it !
Did you expect a different outcome? At this point we pretty much know how Ret is regarded and treated.
Did you expect a different outcome? At this point we pretty much know how Ret is regarded and treated.
It was expected, but i wanted to give it a fair Judgment , and no surprise its : Dogsh**
and it will stay like that , so if you would think of rerolling , do it now, as early you get you set on other classes, u might get the fun of this patch.
Im hoping on shamy whilst tracking the changes on Ret - but no hope !
I’ve got no idea what you talk about.
The DPS now it’s pretty decent with the 2pc.
In raids you get about 40% uptime of seraphim without the talent.
Can’t wait to do a key this week with the new buffs.
But still , we lack better and more general utility. Group / raid wide buffs.
Hope maybe ret gets bl and holy/prot br maybe.
It is pretty decent i think I did almost 16k single target dps without external buffs like PI+warrior banner. Seraphin uptime is very high atleast around 35-40% so you can play divine purpose.
2 Likes
Every class have what ret have (even more) and can do it better than ret. (immunity, soaking, off healing, support, aoe defs, saving single person in raid)
Generaly this class don’t bring anything which is true, no matter how insane I will be geared how many spells they rework or how many dmg+ we got from buffs.
We need utility a good RAID utility same as on MoP we had aura mastery which was insane, maybe double sacrifice with no dmg take restriction etc.
How is it possible that every other meeles have some but we don’t ?
Lorewise paladins were those “support guys” who always popped up and save the day with some insane aoe healing or aoe def etc etc.
I am playing this spec from TBC and they are slowly killing this spec with changes that “DON’T EVEN MAKE SENSE” every expansion it’s worse and worse.
Give us back good stuff we had … raid blessings, usefull auras, any aoe def ability, or aoe raid dmg buff as cooldown.
Why you have to making changes that dooming the class, what is the point ?
If you missing ideas make a strawpoll and LISTEN to people.
And if blizzards are hypocrite just only because there aren’t so much rets as for example mages …yeah take a wild guess why. If people won’t just reroll cuz the spec is sh*t they just quit the game.
Get ur sh*t together and start doing something because this is ridiculous … because of the state of ret is … I CAN’T get into raid progress group, I am stucked at farm and trust me, I changed a few guilds now in shadowlands.
1 Like
These were never really all that usefull for rets as they were for all speccs and in the end dont actually add anything to gameplay. They were just flavour for the class and nothing else and very much proven by the fact we got auras back and it added absolutely nothing.