Lok’tar it is I, the Champion of Azeroth.
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Lok’tar it is I, the Champion of Azeroth. Do not believe what anyone else says.
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As one of theaforementioned people who interacted with you in Silvermoon (you approached Blazing Phoenix during our guild event - sparring at the training grounds in Farstrider Square), you were quite open about being a half-elf. You basically rode up and watched us, emoting at us but not directly interacting for a while, whilst informing us through your emotes that you were definitely not a sin’dorei. You’d approached a military unit in Silvermoon. Naturally we were going to view you with a certain amount of suspicion! Not to mention a certain amount of scepticism over “papers” for someone who isn’t a full-blooded elf. But we’re in general a reasonably friendly bunch, and our good doctor had opted to respond when you approached him.
The sin’dorei however are, it must be said, very insular when it comes to their capital city, and all the evidence both in-game and the books points to them being fiercely territorial. Non-elves are not permitted except in very exceptional circumstances; post the Fourth War, only one half-elf is mentioned as being permitted to live in Silvermoon, and that is Alleria’s son Arathor. Visitors to Silvermoon are almost always escorted and very rarely allowed free roam; it would be incredibly unlikely for an Arathi to be permitted to visit - and certainly not to do so unescorted.
That said, I would think it too early for an Arathi to be venturing as far from Khaz Alghar as Quel’Thalas - the Arathi are a military people, after all, and thus far in-game we’ve only seen them venture as far as Dornogal with no indication they’ve attempted to venture further afield or to leave the island.
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I mean, suppose they went beyond Dornogal and into Siren’s Isle? So they did venture out, just not very far!
And although I agree that it might be to early to RP a Arathi out into the open, mainly due to military structure, but also because they are so few with only the Hallowfall Expedition, I personally wouldn’t say its impossible for Arathi to have left Dornogal and ventured into Azeroth as a whole, the Earthen did it aswell!
But again, I only see this happen in the form of a small scouting party and not a lone ambassador and I don’t see them going to sent ambassadors to world powers, because they aren’t the Empire nor was it ordained or sanctioned by the Emperor, who send them to Beledar!
They’d be deserting their empire if that’s the case. For all their devotion to the Emperor, that seems like an unwise thing to do.
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I think it’s completely fine if/when it’s treated as an exception to the rule of imperial obedience. A disillusioned member of the expedition grabbing an opportunity to Naruto dash away from the underground hellscape and see what the rest of Azeroth’s been up to over the last few millennia makes perfect sense to me.
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John Warcraft.
Yes but hear me out:
An Arathi scouting company who scouts around Azeroth to assess the threat the Horde/Alliance/Azeroth in general possess to Beledar sounds within the confines of their holy ordained mission to get to and protect Beledar!
Again, a lone Arathi going out their proclaiming to be a Ambassador from the Empire? Thats pretty farfetched as an RP concept… But an Scouting mission from the Hallowfall Expedition to assess the threats to Beladar(like the ones going to Siren’s Isle)? Not so farfetched! Ofcourse tou’d have to make a guild/group with other Arathi RPers to make it look feasible
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I was under the impression that, save for one or two characters who I’ve now seen join northern houseguilds, Arathi rp pretty much fizzled out almost as quickly as it came? There’s barely anyone left in Hallowfal.
And probably for good reason, as cool as they look, we know preciously little about the actual Empire. As for Hallowfal, for ooc reasons I can get it gets boring being stuck underground all the time.
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It’s not much different to being stuck anywhere else. Doesn’t really look underground all things considered.
The main irritant is the shifting of Beledar, but at least that in itself can flavour what you’re doing.
Also if you want to RP an Arathi leaving the Isles, wouldn’t someone (civilianesque) seeking to make trade contacts be better than a military individual leaving?
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Originally I did not even feel like responding, but oh well. As much as I hate arguing about, well, stuff (which is why I did not point any fingers, because I mean - and meant back then - no harm, even though I was responded to in one case in a rather harsh tone), I won’t just pretend I did not read this and play a dead bug, as it’s just plain and straight not portraying me in a good light (or perhaps I’m still bitter about how the ingame whisper interaction went about as I feel it was rather uncalled for), and so I think it’s only just to put it into perspective.
(you approached Blazing Phoenix during our guild event…)
You basically rode up and watched us, emoting at us but not directly interacting for a while
Uh huh, yeah, that’s how interaction is done. I did not know - how would I - that it is a guild event; to me it was just a casual organized friendly RP, so why would I not wanna join? And even if, you coulda just told me off right off the bat, I would not mind.
you were quite open about being a half-elf.
whilst informing us through your emotes that you were definitely not a sin’dorei.
I was, as I was unaware that what somebody above called “paper RP” is frowned upon. I’d been around on that character for some 4-5 weeks and not only have I not come across any single one of your members - and so I was curious - but I also had no problems with people helping me run with that idea, and therefore I did not expect such a sudden opposite.
You’d approached a military unit in Silvermoon .
Great, and how was I supposed to know that, considering I’d not seen you around in over a month and never interacted previously with anyone from your crew? And even if, my interaction with Sin Serrar, 23rd Div and Farstriders was rather warm and fairly frequent to say the least, all being military units in Silvermoon.
The sin’dorei however are, it must be said, very insular when it comes to their capital city, and all the evidence both in-game and the books points to them being fiercely territorial. Non-elves are not permitted except in very exceptional circumstances;
Which is what prompted me asking this question here, because should one RP as some sort of a Hero character that participated in the recent happenings, they could technically have a certain degree of possibility to interact with, let’s say, some higher-up lieutenants. That’s exactly why I asked the guy in charge of that event whether you lot stray away from that idea, purely on informative basis.
post the Fourth War, only one half-elf is mentioned as being permitted to live in Silvermoon, and that is Alleria’s son Arathor.
I am aware of Arator and his residence, just like I was aware of Lor’themar’s rather supremacist view briefly shadowed in some 2005ish possibly non-canon book, I was not however aware that any half-elves - as the information was generally pretty difficult to look up and nothing stated otherwise - were apparently not allowed to enter, and ultimately, I saw no reason as to what would have indicated an Arathi Ambassador’s impossibility to be present, considering TWW endgame lore and that we have a troll patrolling the city as an Ambassador.
Visitors to Silvermoon are almost always escorted and very rarely allowed free roam;
I agree, but realistically, for casual RP I cannot see myself micromanaging a group of people just to carry my sorry ahh around for a little bit of interaction, especially given the city is generally far away from crowded, and so I took the creative freedom of “amending that” with papers. I would certainly not mind being escorted around, but why would I bother people to do that for me, if I’m online rather randomly throughout the day.
That said, I would think it too early for an Arathi to be venturing as far from Khaz Alghar as Quel’Thalas - the Arathi are a military people, after all, and thus far in-game we’ve only seen them venture as far as Dornogal with no indication they’ve attempted to venture further afield or to leave the island.
Only fair - and I agree. That’s why the story for the character does state that they have some extra motive. And if we take the headcanon into consideration (which would be just a hole-patching of what so far has not been said), then if there was a 3k year old Quel wishing to become a part of the Horde and coming back to the High Home, I can’t see how Lor’Themar would have opposed that, considering in the past 20 years the amount of Sin’dorei has been cut by some 90 % and his goal has been to repopulate Silvermoon and regain the size and influence of Quel’Thalas.
All in all, sorry for apparently having offended some of you, as I was just curious and none of my previous interaction had prepared me for a negative acceptance. I did not mean any harm, I did not want to offend anyone, but clearly it somehow it happened. I am not sorry for how I approached it, as it was mainly curiosity (ultimately, I am not a seasoned RPer by any means), but I understand that knowing you guys are this strict (which is what I about ingame), I would have opted to just dodge the interaction altogether. Also thanks for wording it as you have ^^
To put it quite bluntly: no, you can not be a Hero on the level of Arator, son of Alleria Windrunner and Turalyon.
To summarise the rule: people expect you to be somewhat in the middle of the pack. There is no issue with roleplaying an Arathi, but then you have to be where the Arathi are. The Arathi are currently on and below the Isle of Dorn, and haven’t really made any attempts to go otherplace. So it’s expected that people roleplaying Arathi will stay in and on Dorn.
Also, a general rule of thumb: If you have to start giving yourself special papers or other similar justifications, for why your character can be somewhere, then you’re probably going too far. That’s a real gray area that a lot of people will have an issue with.
Also, minor lore issue: the Arathi are not half-elves, nor do they consider themselves half-elves.
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you can not be a Hero on the level of Arator, son of Alleria Windrunner and Turalyon
I really don’t think the troll patrolling Silvermoon is that either, but I know where you are going, it’s the classic “if you don’t know, rather not”
Also, minor lore issue: the Arathi are not half-elves, nor do they consider themselves half-elves.
Yeah I’m not going to get into the story I have for the character/s really, as it’s pointless considering what has been said. But thank you on enlightening me on some more of the unspoken rules ^^ At least I know I don’t have to bother with even introducing the father character into the city ^^
Suppose they are to many generations away from half-elves, even if some of their ancestors probably were proper Half-Elves(and some probably still are).
Kinda curious how they ditched the concept of Elf, Human and Half-Elf for Arathi, ngl! Hope they’ll eventually explain it when the proper Empire comes along!
The Arathi Empire is an empire, a form of government that historically likes to break down pre-existing cultural identities and redefine its subjects as servants of the empire.
Combine that with the fact that it has existed for several thousand years and has been isolated from the rest of the world for that duration, I’d say that it has had more than enough time to destroy the cultural identities of its human and elven inhabitants.
It’s not like their attachment to their original racial cultures was that strong to begin with, considering that the initial colonists were humans and elves who chose to leave their homes behind and adventure across the ocean together instead.
Finally, any inherent biological differences between the humans and high elves were likely diminished by the increasingly large mixed-race population, making it less necessary to distinguish between the two separate races.
I don’t think it needs explaining, as it seems pretty self-evident to me.
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It’s going to really annoy me when the Empire turns out to be 4 zones, 8 dungeons and a raid.
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I mean it couldn’t be much more since it’s on the super secret “backside” (
) of Azeroth and no one ever knew it existed before even though we’ve been to actual space and also have a bunch of people who can tap into the voices of Azeroth, nature, and the elements.
We don’t know much about half-elf lifespans (though I anticipate Blizz will probably just default to the D&D version which is ‘about 180-200 years’), but presumably there are still at least some full blooded elves in the Empire who’ve been around since it’s founding.
Unless they were all put down by the State because their long memories of how it came to be proved politically inconvenient for those in power, of course…
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What about the Zandalari Empire, that was one zone, two dungeons and one raid?
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I don’t think about trolls much. I was enjoying Boralus too much for that.
I think this is something they whiffed with Alleria, it would be interesting to establish a character from this Empire. Some elderly elven scholar or whatever, someone who once grew up in Silvermoon, to then be brutally exposed to what has happened in their absence.
It would make an interesting angle for some Arathi to return to one of their fabled homelands and see the Dead Scar gouged down its entire length.
It would fundementally be harrowing and dispell whatever mythic allusions of grandeur they were once told about the land of eternal spring; instead it’s incredibly deminished with statues of a traitor-king lingering around as a warning. But i imagine that will be something born from eventual roleplay rather than something instigated by Blizzard. Eh.