Can the common man finally be allowed to Mythic raid?

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As another expansion draws closer the same thought crosses my mind. Why are we still not allowed to Mythic raid like we can Heroic yet? Why is it treated as this special thing that only those few with enough time can commit to.

The WoW playerbase is an ageing population in terms of gamers, around 28 years old. Many of us don’t have the time or desire to commit to a guild, and from my experience the more casual guilds fizzle out when it comes to Mythic raiding.

These days I like to log in when it suits me, do a bit of content and log out, not have to play around with other peoples schedules.

For the last 3-4 expansions after i get Heroic curved which imo doesn’t take all that long if you’ve been playing WoW for years, i’m left with nothing that i want to do. All the content im motivated to do outside of raiding, is to better my character for raiding.

After a couple months once everyone is geared, Heroic becomes boring, its not a challenge anymore.

Half the challenge is being undergeard, let me experience that again by raiding Mythic in Heroic gear.

As someone whos main interest in WoW is to raid, not being able to play Mythic is like having 1/3 of the content unavailable( with Normal and Heroic being the other 2/3).

I have zero desire to join a guild and commit hours of time waiting, organising, failing to get enough people. Let me join a group as i can Normal/Heroic, do a few attempts for an hour or so, log out and go do something else.

By all means let world first race and the first 100 guilds do they’re thing, but after that just let us play it like it would be for normal/heroic, not this lockout pug mess that never works past the first 1-2 bosses.

Still keep the 20 man thing so you wouldn’t even have to balance it.

The top guilds can have their cake and the rest of us can partake afterwards.

What the hell does blizzard have to lose by not letting the common man play Mythic? Other than my sub because i have no more content to do.

Data Analysts want to know how you can increase player sub retention?

Let me struggle pugging Mythic for months, i don’t care if its hard, i want to do it.

Explain to me how this would be a negative at all instead of letting more people experience content the game devs work hard to produce?

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:popcorn: mythic raiders coming to tell you how you don’t need this to play the game and it devalues their pixels.

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thats because mythci is not meant to be pugged.

so should be retrickted keys above like +4/5 now.

this would make it much better experience comapred to toxicity of pugs.

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I’m confused is blizzard limiting you or something?

The reason people don’t pug it is because it’s too hard with an uncoordinated group, but nothing is stopping you to my knowledge though so you should be able to try till your hearts content, no?

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You’re literally saying you shouldn’t have to get a group to do group content, huh?

Cause Mythic raiding isn’t casual, that’s literally the whole point, if they made mythic casual I wouldn’t be suprised if they added another difficulty above mythic, because the hardcore NEED to have something to strive for.

If you don’t wanna put in the effort it takes to set up a mythic team, then that’s totally fine, it ain’t something alot of people wanna do. But then don’t come at blizzard and act like your laziness is their problem, you can’t not put in the effort but get the rewards.

You phrased it very elegantly, but boiled down you want to be able to do the hardest content without putting in the effort or time required for it, that ain’t how this works.

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Sounds like you have created your own barriers to entry. If you really wanted to do mythic raiding, you would join a guild and put the time in like everybody else.

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@OP: It has been possible to raid mythic x-realm with PuGs for years after the HOF is filled, which takes about a month of a 6 month season.

That is exactly what you are asking for, is it not? No commitment, and you can still raid mythic. So where exactly is the problem?

Can you do it SUCCESSFULLY? Not with any consistency, no, because you´re still running with PuGs and that´s always a crapshoot.

And not having a traditional raid lockout won´t change a damn thing about that. Because everyone wants to be the best, but nobody actually wants to invest the effor required to get there. Including you. :beers:

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Yup, that’s it. Top PvE is always about organized groups, progressions, dozens of hours and millions spent on mats, as always was and as it’s meant to be, and what you want is lowered difficulty to pug Mythics which is…Heroic. Simple as that.

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You can pug the first few bosses of most Mythic raids if you do not want to commit to the schedule of a Mythic raiding guild.

I’m not sure I see the problem?

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Wait…did blizzard actually do it? Did they finally add that question when you join a mythic raid? The pop-up with :“Are you a common man?”, and if you answer “yes” you will be teleported in the middle of the fatigue zone? I didn’t think they had it in them.

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First 5 bosses of every raid digress your opinion.

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Think he doesn’t want to lock himself to a raid id and then not be able to pug another group for the rest of the week. If that’s how it works? Have no idea about mythic raiding but guessing it’s like that based on the later part of his post.

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That is correct, that is how traditional lockouts work. You can continue the ID with the group you started it with and /or invite people with no lockout to that group to complete the ID, but you can´t randomly join someoen else´s group with an ID that´s already started.

And unless mythic gets casualized and we get Ultramythic for the people that actually care about being good (which will in turn only become the next thing the OP and others whine about not being able to do as a casual gamer), it needs to stay that way, otherwise everything about the HoF instantly becomes an absolute joke because you can just buy a carry from Echo in week 1 after the RWF is over, since they can now reclear it with you despite already having an ID.

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why play mythic if you could play elden ring instead?

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Leave this game and never come back, friendly suggestion.
You will be stormed by all angry mythic “pro” players.

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Won’t make a fraction of a % diff to sub numbers.

Having said that mythic raiding is far too restrictive. They could / should just remove the lockout after the HoF is full.
And also make it possible for 10 man to do it again - that would have a bigger impact on sub numbers (but still trivial).

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Older than that by a country mile.

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I thought you could pug mythics. Granted I never pay any real attention but there’s always some sort of advert being thrown out that says some gibberish like “LF M88, need IHT388, /w for fruit”.

Are they not advertising for mythic pugs?

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Fully agree with OP. Mythic raiding should be cross-realm from day 1 and raid ID should be handled just like the Heroic raid ID.

I’m sure a not negligible portion of the player base could do mythic if these two artificial restrictions were lifted.

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I completely agree with the original poster. As casual players who don’t have endless time to dedicate to the game, we’re often excluded from Mythic raiding. The issue isn’t necessarily the system itself, but rather the mindset within the community. Some people see Mythic raiding as a status symbol, and when they notice that you don’t have the right gear, they often look down on you. This elitist attitude is why I’ll never participate in Mythic raiding. The game should be about having fun, not about competing against each other or getting kicked out of a raid group the moment something goes wrong.

On a related note, it’s also really tough to find a raiding guild that fits my schedule. Most guilds raid from 8 PM to 10 or 11 PM, and that just doesn’t work for me, so I’m stuck with raiding in LFR. It’s a shame that we casual players only get to experience about a third of the game’s content, even though we pay the same subscription fee as everyone else.

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Frankly I prefer a game in which the HoF is a joke but where more people get a better chance to play Mythic.