I’d argue this takes more time than Nazjatar dailies.
Also stop reading my diary.
That’s different, for a start, that’s our world, and we don’t have the lifespans of Azeroth races, we get shown the expectancy of life and suchlike. I mean technically at 18 I was an Officer, albeit one in training, but that is in a very specific branch of service, in the same way that a qualified doctor could normally expect to sign up as an Officer in many armed forces. A Captain in Azeroth seems to be a much higher position of authority than a Captain in our real world armed forces (Which makes sense, a Captain was a much higher position of authority in our real world when we go back to the medieval/renaissance period). N.C.O’s also tend to be older often than the Officers who command them, because of the two tier situation that many real life armed forces use. Lets use that real life example though. This is still saying that a 30 year old elf is of equal skill and responsibility to Alleria, and of greater responsibility and rank than Vereesa (I mean, that is entirely possible, she never even -had- any rank until she proclaimed herself ‘Ranger-General’)
Remember, we’re talking fantasy races, albeit ones where we -have- been given examples. As it is a Role Playing game, we should be looking at -those- as our examples, in the setting, not real life examples where there is only one sentient and sapient species, as opposed to Azeroth’s multiple ones.
I’m referring to the rank of Captain in the setting, not in 21st century Earth.
yeah true nazjatar dailies don’t take long at all
So there’s no excuse not to make the effort unless you have 0 actual investment in the char
I just wanna know, how did the discussion of “Can this concept work” to “Ilvl is important for RP!!!” and now age + commander stuff?
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it was a gradual climb from the topic of nobles ever spurred on by the total lack of input from the OP after posting
It’s not making an excuse if your ilvl has zero relevance to how you’re spending time in the game.
I’m getting an RP-PvP vibe here and that’s cool, ilvl will matter to your experience. Not so much the guys who prefer PvE DM dungeon crawl type events or social events. It’s like judging a person’s singing by their brand of socks.
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Nah, it’s not even about RP-PvP. Like I keep saying, it’s about showing a modicum of effort. I wouldn’t take a lvl 1, lvl 20, lvl 110 or 50K HP lvl 120 commander dude seriously outside of guild events because there’s quite simply and blatantly no purpose in the character other than “be big shot guy”
I think the general idea for shoving "ex < really high ranking military officer > " randomly in titles is to try making one’s character look really skilled and experienced.
But it kinda just comes off as wanting to be able to compare d***s more effectively and act superiour ICly.
Also, it’s pretty hard to pull off a character who’s “story before the story” is far more extensive than what you’re ever going to RP and I’d not recommend trying that unless you know exactly what you’re doing and you’re pretty confident/experienced RPing.
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But you can show effort in other ways, no? Let’s say a 110 claims his character is an archmage. He’s got a cool set, he makes great emotes, he has a player who is his apprentice and he has a cool character personality.
If he portrays the character in a convincing way, why would the item level / level even matter? Ultimately dedication to one’s character can be attained in many ways and isn’t a requisite for taking someone seriously. If you shut down a window of opportunities because you ground your opinion of others on a not-so concealed OOC elitism good for you, but there are a many reasons for which I wouldn’t take this attitude as a good approach to judging people’s characters.
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I’m willing to chance the 9:1 ratio of 
VS not tbh.
Like I’ve said up above, it’s really not even a high bar.
Gonna throw in my [x] to doubt at the theoretical great archmage RPer who dedicates time into his character but zero time in playing the game in which his character exists
Particularly one who could never, ever fight against anything that wasn’t an NPC without immediately getting pasted
EDIT: Look, I do get it - on the old forums there are tons of posts from this handsome man about how stupid it would be to claim that a random Zangamarsh wasp could wipe out the Defias Brotherhood - but ultimately RP comes down to what you can represent in-game.
If your archmage character can’t ever join an RP-PVP campaign because a stray ability would kill them and can’t go into current-content areas because they grind RP to a halt by aggroing every mob in a 60 yard radius, it hurts the concept regardless of how good their emotes are.
Similarly, ilvl and such are not set-in-stone means of determining a character but they’re a very easy way to glance at a person and see if they’ve put time in.
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I think from my perspective the main reason to level a character for RP purposes is even more prosaic than ‘my hp being high enough to be taken seriously’, but quite simply is ‘I want to be high enough level to actually -wear- a good transmog’. I mean love 'em or hate 'em, the Heritage Armour sets are simply amazing in terms of the extra options they give, by using parts of them, (so much so that I levelled my rarely played Gnome up to 120 to get the set, even though he is a GCO agent so normally wears their traditional black leathers). You just get so much more customisation options that it is worth it. As I say, even as someone who doesn’t really care for raiding or pvp it is still worth getting the levels for that alone.
Once you’re at 120 it takes, what, an hour or so to get Benthic gear, which is going to carry you over the 2,000 HP suggested as a random figure here, and opens up even more options as it means you can solo the last expansions content to get decent kit.
I mean if someone was level 1 and struck up a conversation in a tavern I’m not going to ignore them, heck no, but it does add a bit of substance to the style if they look the part.
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I was just thinking about creating noble girl but from Stormwind. Will that work?
It’ll be Your stereotypical “princess”.
Don’t like making her hands dirty, hard work is beneth her and LOVE clothing and javelery.
Very delicate and spoiled woman.
What do You think?
Why would that be any fun or interesting to interact with?
EDIT: That sounded condescending, what I mean is, you’ve listed pretty much a bunch of flaws. The character, if her entire concept is being a spoiled brat would be fairly one sided. I’d suggest adding something that doesn’t make her just the “I’m rich, my dad’ll have you hanged if you look at me wrong” boring stereotype.
It’s a pretty basic concept - think of ways you can make it interesting.
Also to note, a noble character heavily relies on a retinue to work particularly well - they don’t do work themselves.
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Considering how I was the one who brought up the 20 year old commander memes I feel obligated to elaborate further. 
Ok, first of all – ilvl isn’t the way to judge someone’s RP, you don’t have to say the obvious. I look @ Silvermoon Bazaar and/or Goldshire (E)RPers. I also look at the times when RP tournaments involving PvP duels were often won by [local nobody who just showed up to claim the OOC gold prize pool].
I doubt, however, that you can really be a good military RPer in World of Warcraft if you are not prepared whatsoever for RPPvP to occur. It’s really funny to watch someone brag about their IC skills only for them to suddenly disappear the moment someone dares choose in-game PvP systems instead of rolls and/or emotes. Imagine if you could solo slay a 100 x [unnamed nathrezim] IC but then couldn’t defeat a mere orc grunt – that’s what I think when I see people with gigasized TRP titles and literally 0 gear to support it.
Also, to those who said that PvE and PvP content should never be acknowledged IC (I look @ Brigante who said that + ‘get good @ RP’) – wrong. RP can be made of whatever you want it to be. If anything, I find it personally very 
how many people seem to have an unnatural phobia towards mixing current content with RP.
WoW is a paid service of 10 quid / month of gametime with 99% of game mechanics being shafted for the RPPvE DM’d events. If you are paying for those mechanics, you might as well make use of them in your RP sessions (example: your character could easily be a participant in the battlegrounds / island expeditions in search of Azerite / … [Just don’t go around claiming to be the all mighty godly adventurer PC from gameplay] ). And in the case of you not making any use whatsoever of the in-game mechanics, why would you pay for WoW’s subscription instead of hopping in for some D&D or otherwise, where you don’t continuously keep spending money.
Right, rant over. Peace.
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I will forever have infinitely more respect for those who RP powerful/skillful characters and have matching gear / achievements+titles than someone who put together a TRP title and demand everyone to bend over backwards to accept their role and fantasy.
t. retired avid raider and PvPer who always found the time and energy to RP at the same time
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What if someone doesn’t want to play the crappiest expansion in WoW’s history but would still like to RP?
Their RP isn’t valid anymore?
Why?
Just because I don’t have time and will to do PvP and serious raiding, I’m less of an RPer than people who do? I couldn’t care less for how geared someone is.
If they have a decent appearence (as Brigante above noted), a well constructed TRP profile and their RP is fun and interesting, than I’m not even going to look at what level their character is or how geared they are. It doesn’t matter and shouldn’t matter. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Well first off you’re a DH poster so you can’t use standards/quality as an excuse
cool but others do and reaching acceptable gear = really easy so idk the issue here just don’t try to RP a big shot commander dude if you can’t back it up.
A well constructed one is as minimalist as can be (which also means u have tons of time left to just run Nazja WQs once-daily instead)
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Ooookay, so being able to RP a charismatic leader, having the patience and skill to be the GM of an RP guild (which is basically managing two guilds at once, because your character has to deal with the crap of the members IC and you have to do the same OOC), while at the same time also being a good RPer, DMing events regularly for your guild and havign the time to also keep contact with other guilds’ GMs to be an active part of AD’s community amounts to pretty much nothing if you’re not above iLvL440.
Solid opinion. 
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