Yeah, you good mate. Wanna get few drinks, if you do drink alcohol and have a giggle?
@Perroy
OK, first off thanks for taking the time to reply.
Iām not claiming youāve done anything, I have tried to be clear about that. I apologise if it comes across that way. I am concerned about what I have heard, and I have tried to explain why I am concerned. I assume that people have been accusing you of all manner of things at this stage and it is natural for you to be a bit defensive, but read through the replies. Everyone has been really cool and I am more or less on board with all of your aims.
Asking people to play nicely is a general suggestion. As a quick read of the replies will show, I have been offered another side to this and have said I am grateful for that. I actually wanted to ask that person myself for clarification but I havenāt seen them on in weeks.
I am again, genuinely sorry that you have seen anything as chiding in my post. I will not be DMing him or anyone else.
I never mentioned threatening blacklists. What is going on here ?
I am reading my OP through again looking for the hostility that I feel I am getting in return. I accuse no one of anything. I literally said āI hope that these reports are misunderstandings or exaggerations. I am not in with the āin crowdā, and only have what I hear to go on.ā. I am really sorry that I have made you feel the need to reply in what feels like quite a hostile manner.
Somewhere there is a man out there that fights by contemplating every move he could make and believes that trying to take action in a fight is the work of gods.
@Perroy, I am sorry you feel any of this had to be about lessons. It was not my intention at all to get your back up. If Iāve been clumsy here mea culpa. I believe that RP is a wonderful thing and if you knew me outside of this thread I think you might see the OP differently. There is presumably a way to delete the thread. if it causes this much grief it has failed in its aim and I will make it go away if I can.
Making an accusation and saying āIām concerned that [x unsubstantiated thing] has happenedā arenāt super different IMO - if I posted āIām not accusing anyone of anything, but Iām worried that Pipsquirrel may have been involved in loads of RP griefing! Not saying they are, but ā¦!ā that would just be the same accusation with an extra bit of deniability, right? Iām not trying to pull on your nose but you can probably see what I mean
I get at least one crazy anonymous whisper / pearl-clutching thread directed at some mysterious wrong Iāve done per day so Iām not super invested in the donāt worry Iām friendly replies. I get that you donāt have ill intentions or whatever but if youāre playing the shill for someone talking absolute bag, I think my reply is more than fair
Yeah because all PCU members are really cool agree ā¦
A general suggestion that then transitioned into a specific claim about a specific community ā¦ so many not as general as specifically advertised, right? Itās awful that youāve been harassed for these utterly banal reasons in the past - but that is neither here nor there + not something we do or support
Iām speaking of what your honourable friend-of-a-friend threatened - a kind of weird threat when aimed at a group that numbers in the hundreds that didnāt have so much investment in pursuing roleplay with that kind of player anyway
Would you say that making a claim like āI own this area in the largest RP hub on the server and you need my permission to RP here or I will blacklist youā is reasonable? That (unless Iāve got the wrong end of the stick based on Gallvinās post) is what youāre in defense of ATM (presumably by accident)
I am not actually being hostile at the moment. My response is pretty clean and explains my perspective. Me saying āI donāt think it was a good idea to make this claim based on x y and zā isnāt actually some big internet beef or whatever
Making what is essentially an accusation and adding āhope it isnāt true hehā doesnāt change the content of the post IMO
I donāt think you need to be in any in-crowd to see where Iām coming from, itās a fairly universal point
You donāt need to apologise, this is thread #3000 retreading the same topic. Itās actually one of the finest PCU recruitment traditions
Yeah my manner isnāt hostile instead so donāt worry about it
My back is 100% down, donāt worry
I think you are misreading my tone a bit here
In English, doc ā¦
Iāve roleplayed with you in passing in the distant past (if youāre the Pipsquirrel PI dude) and donāt actually have any poor opinions of you. You donāt need to get super dramatic and think Iāve entered some eternal battle with you because I disagree with some forum post of yours
How will we recruit if you tear our billboard down =(
Pipsquirrel and the Fallen Forehead
I think you keep implying that I am saying this or that is true. Iām just saying right now, nothing in anything that Iāve written is intended to suggest that I believe in any absolute truth. I have issues with the idea of objectivity, especially when it is one step removed through the medium of an online game. What two people perceive to be true about a shared experience can be at complete odds. So, no, at no point am I trying to say that I believe that anything is true, and neither have I made any accusations. I certainly donāt think that what my friends say is inherently true. As to the blacklist thing, I didnāt have that information, so how could I be defending it ? It obviously isnāt reasonable. It feels like you want to lead me into fire. This is what feels hostile. And you find the thread āfunnyā which is dismissive, and characterising me as finger wagging and chiding. I am genuinely sorry if that is how it comes across. But it is a good way to attack me rather than my post, which feels hostile. That is how it comes across. That is my perception. It is not the truth. Gods if you only knew me youād know I donāt even trust my own sense data or memories. Let alone someone elses.
This all feels like a dreadful miscommunication.
In hindsight I could have said āA group of guildsā rather than PCU. That was thoughtless.
And mea culpa basically means My Bad.
I donāt keep implying that + I donāt think it specifically matters. I think the implication of the thread - ie. complaining about how people were awful to you on another realm and then transitioning to talking about the PCU - stands entirely on its own
You could have made your point very very cleanly without making it about my community
I believe youāre a victim of what people might describe as lying by omission
Agreed
Yeah maybe a fire that illuminates the room really dramatically and reveals that youāve been played
I canāt help the intention you read into what I type
It is, yep - but I think you can forgive me, when you go through roughly 1 million copies of the exact same thread itās hard to keep the enthusiasm going
In the same way that you have characterised me as hostile, right? Pretty much how communication via text goes / not something we can really help here
Would have been super obvious that way anyway. Iām not sure that there is a miscommunication either. Youāve said yourself that the content of this post was based on what people told you - that was your impetus. Iām replying because while I agree with your general point I think you have instantly muddied the waters with some partisan (and more or less inaccurate) point about a community you admit you donāt really understand based onhearsay that you yourself admit isnāt necessary true
I said I felt it was hostile. This is way past pointless. Thanks for the replies though.
I realise this isnāt how you could have spent a chunk of your day.
I donāt drink
Laddie ā¦
One of the big reasons why I RP dwarves is so that I can pretend I actually drink while irl I pretty much abstain from alcoholā¦
On the subject of "would"ing emotes being godemoting, Iām baffled and appalled.
On AD, this has its cultural origin some years back (2012?) when there was a reaction to an excess of godemoting. People would try to outdo one another with extreme emotes as displays of dominance for their unbeatable self inserts to always win a fight and the rest of us got sick of it.
Thus began a culture of emoting that you āwouldā perform an action within its context, giving the other person wiggle room to respond so that you too wouldnāt be accused of godemoting. This later mutated into a mess of abusing the English language and using Would where it would never fit in a sentence (her eyes would be blue etc) and it has since become its own plague.
Enforcing Would-ing as if ātries toā were a god emote seems to me the logical extreme of hardline evasion of controversial emoting beyond all reason. Such a hair trigger guild environment is best avoided and I struggle to see why anyone would tolerate it.
@Perroy for what it is worth I can see that I handled this situation really badly and I am sorry for bringing your community into it at all. I can see from the replies on here that they are good people. I am going to properly step away from the forums again before I do any more harm.
lol its absolutely OK / doesnāt actually matter
I donāt see you as the bad guy in this situation at all and I have said that repeatedly. Please donāt be really desolated over a couple of forum posts my friend. It isnāt a bit deal
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