Given that SoD is seasonal model and that we’re in the age where HR (hard reserves), boosts and secret GDKP discord sales are rampant, would it really hurt to at least hurt trial personal loot in old content?
Imo at the very least it would make sense on cosmetics, toys, mounts, legendries and class items. It may also encourage players who are done with that phase to re-run old content.
Been in the same party since sunken temple
Have worked out great,
Just join a guild or static discord PuG and never from trade chat, tho that’s kinda irony since i met this grp from trade chat.
Point is, only go with people you can trust and not sketchy people
It’s not just about sketchiness, it’s also about tanks reserving bindings, GMs reserving mounts, valuable loot being funnelled to healers / tanks etc.
As they’ve always done? tanks always get bindings in every guild run i’ve done.
If you don’t like the group rules, then don’t join or make your own with your own rules
Other than the +1 rule, the group i’m in is just /roll
Yeah all of those are problems.
People should not be entitled to extra loot on the account of playing a certain role or forming the raid. Personal loot fixes that, and personal loot only works when it’s enforced
That only works if people agree to it by joining the raid.
Simply make another group and say “No HR”
If people don’t like HR they will join yours.
If they don’t care or think it’s a big deal, they will join the other.
This is like the biggest non-issue that only becomes an issue because… i dono… why is this an issue? simply don’t join those raids.
For you.
Breaking the game for others to cater to you doesn’t fix anything.
Because I want the same chance at getting a legendary as the guys putting in time and effort to create, maintain and lead a raid without putting in the time and effort to create, maintain and lead a raid.
I have explained the topic to you in detail already, not wasting my time on you again
I do not want to make my own group. 90%+ of players have no desire or capacity to make their own group and lead. I want to join already existing groups without HR. And such groups do not exist.
I want the devs to enforce personal loot so that I can JOIN groups with no HRs
Yes, and you were wrong then too.
In other words:
I said it before you did.
Are we doing another thread again?
Didnt we just have a lengthy discussion about it?
In other words, people want OTHERS to fix raids for them so they can get the loot they want without doing anything for it. Aka slacking.
Personal loot isn’t the answer. You’re asking for the same ‘answers’ to issues that ended up destroying WoW.
We don’t want LFG and personal loots where you press a button, get insta tp’ed to a dungeon/raid, bash through mobs and bosses without uttering a single word and tp’ing back to wherever you were with your loots without a single interaction with other players.
WoW is an MMO, meaning you are pushed to connect with people through your server and your guild. If you can’t take the time tu surround yourself with trustworthy players then you won’t have a good experience but please don’t destroy it for others by asking the game to turn into a giant supermarket.
I do just as much as my tank. I buy as many comsumables. Spend as much time gearing up. Spend the same 90 minutes killing bosses in the raid. And therefore should be entitled to the same opportunity to get loot pieces in same amounts
I was referring to the raid-leader in this case.
Sure, you do as much as work as almost everyone in the raid. But the raid-leader does the most, if he did no work whatsoever you wouldnt have any problems making your own raid.
Making raid-groups requires more from you, than just joining a random raid and waiting for it to be filled.
Thats not necessarily true, since some of the raid-leaders also bring wbuffs for the group.
You would be, if you put in the same amount of energy as the raid-leader. But you dont, so you arent entitled to it.
There are loads of groups out there, every group has different item HR (some have the same ofc). Why dont you just join a group that doesnt have the item you want HR’d?
As a ele shaman, i dont care if someone HR’s the bindings, for instance.
As a rogue, i dont care if someone hr’s the caster dagger from the silithus world boss (for the name).
If there are 9 other rogues in the raid, i leave and find another one, they are a dime a dozen. Thats what i feel like anyway.
Yeah but my raid leader is not a tank, yet tanks have loot prio anyway.
I just want a realistic opportunity to go into a raid and not be locked out of getting a special rare item. The best way the devs can provide such opportunity is to mechanically prevent players from being able to influence what others receive
That might be a thing in your guild then, its not like that in our guild. Ofc actual tank items go towards the MT/OT duo, but tokens etc are spread evenly (we use a sr system)
Yes, and thats completely fine, but the downside will be less pugs running.
Why should i make a group if there is nothing in it for me? Why put time and effort into making groups when some random pug can take my binding?
Selfish? sure, but i dont care about some random pugs gear, there are so many people on the server that the chances of us raiding together again is slim.
Ofc this is different in a guild, atleast there a guildie with gear helps the raid.
Anyway, we are both just using the same arguments we did last time. Both of us know each-others stand on this. No need to go down further.
To OP, check the other threads about this very subject.
Yeah oddly enough, a lot of raid pugs fill the ‘important’ roles with their friends/guildies before hand.
You have one. Make the group yourself.
As with the last thread; you still refuse. You want others to do the work for you.
Yes we have settled that topic already, I was mostly responding to other people in this thread initially
sorry but pl is awful don’t punish every1 else for you joining bad grps read what being hrd and dont join if its something ur after, st isnt necessary to get to 60.
ive played with it on retail and it was awful, ppl creating addons to announce when some1 got loot they dont needed then the begging starts
L take.
personal loot takes the excitement out of loot fundamentally.
if something drops for you its 100% yours with no need to roll.
no competition = no excitement/disappointment.
you have to take the bad with the good or retail is right over there for you mate.
There already is enough excitement in the fact that a drop is not guaranteed. Having to wait 6 lockouts for an item to drop is tedious enough, having to roll on it against 3 people when it does drop is too much.
That is, if the item is not hard reserved to begin with, which it often is