what the … am i reading. people believe shamans are unironically garbo tier when it takes 3-4 people to kill one in BGs. Yet if 1 kick on a hpal shuts them down for good it’s balanced?
Some people really got 
takes.
What does 1 kick do to a sham then? a healer with no CC (HoJ), no aura mastery, no divine shield, not even cast pushback immunity unless they use earth shield on themselves (which most often you need on whoever gets focused to keep them alive in this nuts damage meta)
For you every shaman that plays tank, and as such is obviously tanky due to WoE, you count them as resto and elemental and whatever the F you want to believe.
Proper resto shamans who take earth shield - surprise, earth shield is exclusive with WoE, and only with earth shield resto shamans get spell pushback immunity, something holy palas get by default by turning concentration aura on.
Yea your posts have a certain waft to them usually.
hpal doesn’t got totems that literally eat kicks/stuns/anything, aoe cleansing potential, a defensive that is just straightup better than BoP/Bubble to begin with, AoE slow/root potential, kick, purge. Do we even go on?
unlike your ES it doesn’t heal whenever they get hit by any stray ability or ST.
yes ES is that good, it hardly costs mana the last time I’ve checked.
Isn’t it obvious? Giving Shamans those tools and runes that just allow them to be unfun to play against, regardless of spec.
Ain’t it the shamans doing it all the time? The clowns writing the joke. 
WOW, talk about horse . A 20% damage reduction is better than being immune to CC/interupts/damage or BoP - make anyone immune to physical dmg and physical interrupts and instatly removing effects like mortal strike.
You truly do know you PvP healer stuff… 
Speaking of:
You are huffing some other type of copium if you really believe the things you say. Keep doing it despite all evidence - the true mark of an “intelligent” individual.
Yet those end up on CD for multiple engagements whilst SR is almost up for every engagement. Only shamans call this balanced whilst everyone else calls them out on this blatant pile of
At least most people are more intelligent than the shaman players.
Still yapping yet sticking to PvE, hilarious how you can talk somuch garbage.
Sorry but I think you are mentally ret**ded at this point. You cannot comprehend the fact that cooldowns win fights.
Being able to freecast without danger in the critical moments of an engagement(thanks to Aura Mastery/Bubble even BoP when needed to some extent) and keeping your teammates alive is what every healer desires.
You have so many cooldowns to allow you to freecast that you can use them all or rotate through them as necessary.
Enemies don’t instantly respawn on the spot once dead, by the time they run back to you from the GY and make another push a cooldown like Aura Mastery/BoP, for example , is probably done.
Shamanistic Rage doesn’t help in one bit with free casting. Grounding totem maybe saves you once from getting interrupted but with how many instant casts there are now in PvP in SoD it’s much less potent than it used to be in classic.
The fact that you think shamanistic rage is more potent than bubble and BoP as you listed above:
(I’ll even quote this garbage back to you). Shows you have no clue what the hell you are talking about.
Stick to being garbage at everything you do(evident from all your claims), I think you must have opened every door with your head as a kid. Anyone normal in the head would be ashamed to claim the things you do with such confidence.
Because apparently to you Paladins can rotate BoP and Bubble without having to deal with a 1min debuff that exactly prevents what you think Paladins can do. Good grief you are just stupid. Maybe play my class that I main instant of yapping. Even if we use BoP it will not be guranteed to prevent you from getting kicked thanks to a mage or just blasted away by any given magic damage. That is WITHOUT purging BoP straight off.
Because apparently every interrupt class forgets to bind their kick to the easiest healer to interrupt in the entirety of SoD in PvP or do the simplest thing of just tunnel visioning down onto a hPal that can only single target heal against the rest who have AoE potential.
God you are so schizo it ain’t even real, whatever sounded good to you for hPal on paper is abusable in theory in every way possible.
Yet you can survive any tunneling from any given DPS on the field which is perfectly fine apparently whilst healing yourself or getting healed by someone else.
Considering how broken shaman heal scaling it is mental how good your flexibility is vs literally anything else. Tanky, high healing and damage + all the other crap.
Maybe own up to anything you even say, play paladin and prove everyone else wrong. Maybe then you will realize your fantasies of being immune for the duration of Bubble and BoP combined is literally impossible.
HPal are literally the worst healers in PvP and that is not even debatable, resto shamans are still better by a mile.
You are straight garbo, explains why you are on a PvE server to begin with and maybe stick to your PvE gameplay. PvP wise just based off your “knowledge” you will get clowned on even on shaman.
Keep looking to try and poke holes in my arguments. Anyone that is not ret**ded like you are, would understand you start with aura mastery since it is 2 min cd or go straight to bubble if you are focused and then aura mastery once you come out. I just listed all the cooldowns you have since you apparently have no fing clue, also no clue how to use them.
You trying to tell me, an ex paladin main, with obviously loads more experience than you will ever have that forbearance doesn’t allow you to use BoP after Divine Shield is funny.
First: you use it sensibly, if you have a rogue or warrior riding your behind and no one peels for you then that is the ideal situation to use HoJ or BoP.
Second: mages are just about extinct in PvP right now, but this is how any discussion goes with you, you always assume there are 5000 of the counter instantly present whenever you discuss a scenario. MORON.
USE. YOUR. COOLDOWNS. If you stand there like a bot not starting with aura mastery or bubble(depending on what you are facing, or if focused, can’t believe I gotta say this over and over)
USE WASD and your brain and move accordingly to what is happening on your screen, don’t just park yourself like a bot in the middle of the fight and expect to freecast.
Most AoE heals aren’t worth in PvP, with small exceptions like druid Wild Growth.
Beacon of Light exists, just so you know. It’s an excellent tool but I guess in your eyes since it doesn’t bring the entire 15 people to full HP instantly I guess it’s useless.
No, you cannot, no matter how many times you repeat this , it isn’t true in the slightest. If they focus you, a resto sham, you cannot heal (good luck keeping people alive with just Riptide and a NS+HW, it might work only against someone with damage like yours).
Just about everyone has an interrupt now. If a Hpaladin can’t cast how the F will a resto sham do it? With not even spell pushback immunity if a priest dispels your earth shield.
The only Shamans that survive decently are Shamans that run WoE but at that point that is a tank, your healing range gets reduced, you don’t have pushback immunity on your heals(HELLO, no earth shield anymore)
The problem with you is that you seem unable to tell apart a tank shaman from a resto shaman, but I think that is on purpose.
Holy paladins aren’t the worst healers and resto shamans aren’t better than a mile - that is the truth you idiot.
Yea keep clinging to this PvE server . Like you know my experience, like it’s a big GOTCHA… grasping at straws at this point.
The fact that I moved from a dying PvP server(Chaos Bolt) to PvE the moment I saw we are going again to get these abominations of mega-mega-servers is the best thing I did.
Not wasting my time with degenerates “having fun” camping areas in small raid groups makes me a PvE player it seems.
As opposed to idiots who get peer pressured and join the PvP servers for the fear of some moron thinking less of them.
I learned my lesson in 2019 classic when running to BRD took 3 times longer than the actual instance run due to the server having 1 alliance for 3 horde ratio back then.
I’ll put this here again, eat it:
You have like neg experience considering how garbo you are.
Because anyone with a brain can still screw you over on a hPal even with AM. There’s CC in the game that you obviously overlook, but what to expect from someone with no experience on paladin.
Good job ape.
Surely… last BG sessions all contained a mage at minimum. Extinct?
Because you couldn’t even account for those and shows how bloody clueless you are. CLOWN.
AM literally can achieve 0 VALUE if you are getting CC’d whilst that is running. Then you burn Bubble or trinket and end up dead either after trinket or after bubble. Effectively wasted away. Good job at explaining how you end up getting farmed.
CoH, Prayer of Mending, Chain Heal? Worthless you say? Seriously do you even play PvP? Any healing that isn’t ST covers more and better than covering one where you can literally target swap as DPS to say “wrong target, try again healing”.
can be dispelled, good job wasted away. then you recast it which couldve been a healing global.
This is very much the truth unless there’s MS, which stops those shenagians from ever happening. You literally need to experience melee pain against a shaman healer, literally tanky and enough EHP to survive. This happens without fail and you defending this is just peak schizo.
On 2 healing abilities mind you (along with Bolts, CL, LB).
Riptide and LHW still enjoy full benefits of 40y range. If you are gonna say something then be at least right about it, too bad you have been omega delusional about it and defend it regardless of how OP it is.
And here is the clown still trying to sway people from saying “hPal is not garbage and resto shaman is”.
There’s somany more benefits for a resto but apparently you are intentionally blind to hard facts that half of hpal toolkit is useless and rsham can actually do more than a hPal.
Let’s put the delusional clown.
Where did I say resto shaman is garbage? Unlike you I can assess value in more terms than worst/best. But I can clearly see you are the worst.
What I actually said:
Fine, done with you and your . This is the only reply you ever need to get on this forum from now on:
You imply it with every post about it. Don’t need to say the word if you mean it LOL.
Keep coping lmaoo. Unlike you I know what is gonna happen and give actual examples of what will happen in PvP settings.
But done explaining anything to you, keep coping whatever you wanna cope about. Shaman has been and is still busted, denying this is just peak schizo.
Yes, I’m coping, yet here you are 1k posts plus of “whaaa whaaa paladin is worst at everything whaaaa”
Meanwhile : HoJ is not worth using because orcs, aura mastery not worth using because stuns, bubble not worth using because cd, bop because dispel and so on and so forth.
Is there any surprise then that you think paladins are the worst at everything.
The only expression of skill in this game is in how you manage to use your kit in spite of all the counters not by 
on the forums 24/7 asking the devs for unnecessary buffs/nerfs.
And I am the one coping… the guy who asks neither for nerfs or buffs.
I think you have it backwards, look in the mirror loser and ask for more crutches, clearly you can’t cope.
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Stick to being garbage at everything you do(evident from all your claims), I think you must have opened every door with your head as a kid. Anyone normal in the head would be ashamed to claim the things you do with such confidence.
whilst you got 205 posts of acting like a clown, insulting those who do not share your braindead view and defending shaman like a true schizo.
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You are straight garbo, explains why you are on a PvE server to begin with and maybe stick to your PvE gameplay. PvP wise just based off your “knowledge” you will get clowned on even on shaman.
Easy now with the projecting. The amount of brain power you have shown in all this time expressing yourself through your posts must make it a challenge for you to use the right end of the fork to feed yourself.
I play 3 classes beside shaman, doing more than fine with each one.
You are on a PvP server, look how much it has done for you, garbage to the core, 24/7 begging for buffs and nerfs, nuclear coper. Big PvP boss-man, what a joke.
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Stick to being garbage at everything you do(evident from all your claims), I think you must have opened every door with your head as a kid. Anyone normal in the head would be ashamed to claim the things you do with such confidence.
hey just wanted to say that it pained me reading the exchange between you and this dwarf paladin so much that I had to create an account.
to me you are making sense presenting real arguments and he is just assuming the worst possible outcome in any encounter for himself and greatly exaggerated the tools of shaman while pretending the paladin didn’t have an amazing toolset.
I personally believe that shamans used to be OP for a while but with the healing nerf/de buff in BG my tank/ele crossover is getting rekt by bursty classes unfortunately so much so that I stopped pvping. it is impossible for me to understand how one can pretend paladins are not extremely powerful. for example in AB they can just defend a base by themselves at least 15 seconds longer than other classes. bubble is still the best defensive skill in existence - comparing shamanistic rage to it is completely off. 20% dmg reduction is really no big deal if people crit for 3-4k. I get focused by one rogue and one ret pally and I am dead FAST. meanwhile pally can deal damage unfazed while sitting 10 sec in immunity bubble. dafuq
If you die to a paladin in bubble as a shaman you are seriously bad! Got no words… obvious troll imo
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It’s just what this guy (Wave) does, he makes false, absurd claims as if they are facts. Just so people lose it and call him some well deserved names. Then those people get banned.
Shamans were over the top at some point but those days are gone. People literally can’t get their head around a tank specced/geared character being tanky.
They conveniently use that example above to label all shaman specs as being equally tough, which is obviously false to anyone but a disingenuous idiot.
Yes because getting finished off during divine shield is impossible… It’s as if all shamans the moment they join any PvP are handed instantly the full epic PvP set. It’s as if poorly geared shamans do not exist in your world.
That is all you needed to say.
Shaman is still the uncontested strongest class in pvp 1vs1 gods nobody can beat. And inside bgs if there are more than 4 shamans on the enemy team in the clash at bs, unless they are enhance, nothing is dying. The burst and sustain as well as tankyness of them. If not for this class nothing could contest a rogue in 1vs1 but even rogues cant do anything to them.
Sure moonkins, paladins and hunters have over the top burst as well but all of these classes are extremely easy to kill and paladins once bubble is gone is easily nuked to.
I suggest you try playing both sides and see if you still feel this way.
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I was going to take your post sentence by sentence and explain with examples and arguments how what you say isn’t entirely true. But then I looked at the sentence quoted above and I know better than to waste my time.
Do shamans have more favorable 1v1 class matchups than not? Yes. Warriors for example stand no chance.
Are shamans “uncontested 1v1 pvp gods that nobody can beat”? No, but believe what you will.
I suggest you do the same, I am already doing this and the vast majority of shamans are barely a nuisance for my alliance shadow priest.
This clown couldn’t even play paladin and believes his arguments make sense.
Still works if you aren’t hard spamming ES/Riptide, LHW still going strong in combination of SR.
Every 5mins they can do so, comparing it to shamans who can at least get a AOE FS off which will affect 5 targets trying desperately to flip flag.
…or the fact they are almost unreasonably hard to kill out of all healers,
…or the fact they can use a 20% damage reduction every min + are literal mana batteries and allow horde to win the long term fight,
…or the fact that they can start a massive snowball in terms of FS spam + Power Surge proc.
Bubble wasn’t and still isn’t an issue, Shamans using SR/Riptide/ES/WoE/PS are, those abilities are stupid strong compared to other classes.
regardless of having SR or not, haven’t seen 3k+ crits at all in PvP. That is playing as pally or shaman (with SR active). Who’s being dishonest?
SR being a min CD whilst doing 2 things is literally overtuned and warrants a nerf alone. Either reduce the damage by 10% or reduce the mana gain, shouldn’t be 20% and innervate levels of mana for people close by.
sounds balanced, if you have good healers that damage is literally non existent. Basically delaying dying by 15s isn’t gonna change that.
Deflecting much? LOL. You ain’t speaking truth either, yet people should be expected to take your as the one and only statement that matters. schizo much tbh.
still deflecting and anyone who can use WoE or ES + Riptide can be stupidly tough whilst still retaining whatever their spec provides, that goes especially for shamans gearing ele/resto and talenting as such.
Warriors the only thing you could ever mention because you yourself lose to rogues, ferals and rets?
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You are straight garbo, explains why you are on a PvE server to begin with and maybe stick to your PvE gameplay. PvP wise just based off your “knowledge” you will get clowned on even on shaman.