I’ve killed sark about 15/16 times I think at this point (think i missed 1/2 weeks at the start as we hadn’t progged), my guild has gone on break, the people in my guild who rerolled aug have it, I don’t have the energy to kill sark and this week was my last week, i can’t anymore it’s single handidly souring the great reputation this expansion has had for me (it’s legion flash backs and having sephuz drop (before the changes that made it useable) in Emerald Nightmare which pretty much lost me my raid spot healing mythic and ruined legion for me)
I’m asking if there is a possibility of it just being a quest now if you have killed sark on heroic or higher, at this point the leaderboards are full of evokers who have it and the majority of guilds have heroic/mythic sark on farm or are on break, there is no reason to lock it behind the drop now and have raids with 15 evokers and 2 getting it, I’m worried it’s gonna be relevant again next patch and I do not have the will to do it. I’m sure i’m not alone in this.
This and also another point, why I think that design like this for a legendary, is uber crap. It should either be hidden behind a quest chain (Shadowmourne, Tarcegosa, Daggers), or a mythic only drop. Hiding such important items behind LFR and normal, is nonsense, because there are people that actually grind for it, and don’t get it, while a total pleb can get it on 1st attempt.
That’s some grade A american boomer thinking right there “We didn’t get it in our time so why should you get it in yours” Hunter Bow should have been a quest as well, no reason at all to hide things behind % drop chances, hunters got screwed on that front as well and the fact you don’t see that is sad.
It’s “a privilage not a right” has always been a poor argument, it’s not a privilage at all, if it were it would be locked behind mythic sark and you would have earned it, instead it’s a random drop chance with bad luck protection, meaning they learned something from the hunter bow just not enough, they know it’s a crap system and it reeks of the “keep people subbed as long as possible” tactics that they told us they were moving away from.
You say its not a privilege but lets take this a step further and argue why people did not get their trinket of choice towards the end of a patch it literally the same thing. Legendary’s are suppose to be a rare thing to obtain and the argument of why this person and not me is hilarious
You can get the trinkets from vault, weekly chests when they are up and from the raid, you can even get the trinkets from RF/Normal while you wait for them to drop from higher difficulties, there is 1 avenue to get the legendary each week and they said “it only counts for the highest difficulty you do each week” and only put the bad luck protection on heroic/mythic and it’s likely you will replace that trinket next tier, it’s not looking like that for the legendary which is 30 odd ilevel higher than anything else you can get.
Even then maybe their should be a system to let you get that drop you missed out on, why should you be forced to wait 4 months for a trinket drop when they could add in a currency that drops from killing bosses or opening weekly vaults that lets you buy it if you have killed a boss x times with no drop, world first races are well over at that point, M+ invitationals are over, season is effectively over, who cares if you just get to buy the trinket?
Yeah I agree with that, stop doing single class legendaries works as a very good solution also. So far I feel like you are the only one in this thread who has come up with an alternative solution that isn’t just “dracthyr privilage” or “why can’t i get my trinket then?”.
Rae’shalare did not had any lore or quests attached to it. It was just a strong weapon that might had as well been an epic like the rogue daggers (I got it in the final season).
The Evoker legendary does have the revelation of their new spec as part of it.
Currently I am on 3 heroic kills after the “bad luck protection” was introduced. I wont count the other ones I did before that.
Meanwhile the orange letter spam is teasing the fact that others were luckyier.
Also the result of a dice-roll is not a privilege. It is just dumb old luck
Shadowlands wasn’t a million years ago pal, but keep up the cope.
Rae’shalare wasn’t initially planned to be a legendary item. However, as the designers discussed the bow during the development process, they decided that they wanted it to be evocative of Sylvanas’ archery skills, which led to the idea of letting hunters access some of Sylvanas’ power in the form of an extra ability. They decided that this effect was “way cooler” than that of a normal Epic item and thus changed Rae’shalare to legendary
From the wiki ^
That said, it doesn’t necessarily need to, the TBC bow dropped straight off the boss, as did the glaives, you’re just splitting hairs to support a strawman argument that because this has a quest everybody should have it. The reality is, no, people shouldn’t rock up to a boss and pick up a max ilevel weapon, a power level that cannot be matched by anybody who isn’t progressing echo/sark on mythic just for doing a simple, short questline.
First Evokers get a staff stronger than anything else in the raid which only they can loot, then they get a huge powerspike legendary with bad luck protection and still the entitled are crying, it’s sad.
What does time frame have to do with anything, doesn’t matter that it wasn’t a million years ago your argument is poor, that bow should have been a quest as well and you haven’t given any kind of arguement against that other than “you should only get it you are progging mythic” which is fine if that’s what they wanted to do I actually wouldn’t be annoyed if that were the case, that’s actually earning it, but that’s not the case for this, it’s already dropped for a ton of people from lfr/normal/heroic what harm is there now in putting in a quest for it now, even lock the quest behind 20 kills on heroic or 1 on mythic, because it’s gonna likely be relevant for a whole tier, I’m gonna get it eventually, it’s just exhausting after 15 kills to have to keep going back to this boss that i’ve more than proven i can kill at the level they required, even have a solid parse for the kills
Also to the second point referencing TBC, they didn’t go back to that legendary drop system for specific class legendaries until shadowlands, which unless i’m mistaken, the hunters complained about relentlessly, and now in dragonlands they have introduced it again and tons of people are complaining, they had to add bad luck protection because tons of people complained, because it’s a bad system, It was crap for hunters in shadowlands and they didn’t learn from that.
Also hunters had razza bow last season which idk if you remember, had to be nerfed because it was so strong for hunters who didn’t get it were getting kicked for other hunters who had it. I’ll accept a nerf to the legendary so it isn’t BiS for next seasons entire heroic tier instead of the quest, just something to stop it being a requirement to farm.
it’s 457 ilevel legendary that gives some 500 main stat and 600 speed, it’s 10 ilevel above mythic, unless something amazing drops from next raid tier that’s gonna be BiS for heroic and early mythic before upgrade paths. I would rather it not be nerfed but it’s an option so people don’t have to fomo farm it, i’d rather the quest be put in.
Legendaries should be a true endgame only. So while I understand some might feel annoyed or even insulted by it, your endgame is not always the real endgame.
If the Legendary only dropped from the last boss, at the hardest difficulty it would purely be a reward item for completing the hardest content. Not a key-piece for many to gain the power needed to do the hardest content. Currently a lot of players ‘feel’ they need this legenary, or they are behind. This is an actual problem.
Finally, it would turn the Legendary to a bigger status item - perhaps, I dare go so far to say, it would make the global RP call actually feel Legendary.
Blizzard have shown they can build a questline into a raid for weapons like Shadowmourne, Teragosa’s rest and those Wration related rogue daggers.
Drop rate lore legendaries are a step backwards compared to better systems.
Btw out of the two legendaries you cited, only the glaives had lore. The Sunwell bow was basically there just to make the hunters cry watching warrior raid leaders like Kungen claim the drop for themselves.
That is an another reason entirely and would had been solved with ilvl upgrade tokens like those for Rae’shalare that droped from Sark and could upgrade it based on the cleared difficulty.
It is blizzards “fault” for just dropping a max ilvl mythic raid item at a lottery and going out for a drink.
Yeah but that’s not the case, it’s not about what it should be, it’s about what it is in this case, I would be fine with it being mythic sark only, but it’s not, the ship has sailed on it being mythic sark only, so the question becomes how to handle it now, because it’s current implementation is frustrating for a lot of people when it’s random chance and has nothing to do with proving you are good enough to get it.
