They need to lose some abilities, They have the most overloaded tool kit on top of having the best damage and best mobility…
Let’s apply the following…
Thanks
So removing dmg (the only thing what makes dh viable), removing the only relevant def cd and cutting down the not existing cc abilitys is the Solution?
Moving dh from A Tier to D Tier?
As DH main i would prefer a nerf the burst abilitys and setup style gameplay of the class and a movement to more sustained dmg
DH cc is not relevant so i would not touch it. Def should definitly not be touched at all… glass canon Gameplay is trash.
But to be honest… dh burst is not good at all… mages, evoker, ele, mm, ww, ret and feral they got all much more and better burst windows then dh…
Most of the time the dh setup does nothing… every 10 rounds you maybe got good rng and do a 200k+ death swep… look at other specs like feral druid… they do 200k bites non crit every 5 seconds and nobody cries about it…
Dh is still s tier
Say what?
Wowarenalogs
DH average burst - 260k
Feral average burst - 200k
That’s 30% more burst. Let’s look at average DPS whole game
DH average DPS - 70k
Feral average DPS - 51k
That’s 40% more sustained DMG for DH.
Say what again?
81 FB used in solo shuffle
61 Normal Hits - Average 150k, Max 220k
16 Crits - Average 220k, Max 330k
We’ve just seen a video where from Venruki where he played against feral and the crits there were between 220k-270k. Getting a 200k normal bite happens maybe once per game if you got all bleeds + trinket + TF + Incarn + weapon proc + luck. People see one video of a 400k crit and they think it’s normal and happens every bite. No it does not it’s a 1 in 50 lucky cast if the stars align and you get a crit.
Say what again? Did you just miss the whole “Please fix Ferocious bite damage” thread in the PvP section happening both on EU and NA forums?
So much misinfo in a single comment, I can’t take anything you say seriously now.
Welcome to Feral land where we are the glass of the last 3 seasons and we didn’t get a cannon. Feral is only good cause of team setups that allow him to cyclone spam. Without cyclone we would be gone and everyone hates this playstyle.
lol i dont think there is a spec that has less burst than ele right now.
i think u dont know how feral works, first of all the bite Dmg is the least problem about the current issue facing against a feral
it´s more about the controll with Cyclone, into a small burst support window, feral can lockout 2 enemys at once, Heal Long cyclone, and dps into Maim stun, so if both oponents have no Trinket rdy, u have a kill window without counterplay in late game
and also every 5 seconds? feral dont have the energy for it xD
if you think feral dmg is the problem, then i have nothing to say, cuz feral does overall 50% less dmg than every other meele “except outlaw”
it´s just a Sub Rogue with cast time
The bite Exempel was just a hyperbole… its the same like people say death sweep or hunt does 350k + krits… yeah maybe if all stars a line this happens every 100 rounds or so for one time but not regular every 45sec
For me the gamebalance is good and there are no classes which need drastic nerfs at this point
But i m tired of people calling for nerfs only because there are to bad to counter a spec or just getting stomped by it.
This leads into bad and wrong nerfs which make a spec unplayable cause there are other good player in the game which can counter play it
Also nobody should care about awc balance
id say the same if my spec had 90%+ representation xd
but i actually agree lets wait a few weeks until everyone got 4 set and balance then.
What? What do you mean its not relevant, its broken. Since DF dhs can go through dozen cc on target to disrupt them from casting before they even need to use their kick. Juking and precog vs dh is irrelevant cause how bloated of cc the spec now is among other things. You got mobility, self heal, broken st and cleave both and you also have defensives on short cd. The spec is also easy to operate. There is a clear connection why the spec has been top for last season and still performing better than many other specs.
Blur is seriously broken with its 1 min cd. Too much defensives for a spec with broken burst.
yesssss man if u dont like a class it should be unplayable
forum logic
also
DH got nerfed last season
silence for multiple months, ppl forgot it existed
AWC gets watched
OH MY GOD DH WE FORGOT TO CRY ABOUT IT
Im confused, ppl basically stopped talking about DHs when it were 1 month or less before season 4 were going to start. How did that turn into multiple months?
There will be very little balancing done chaps
I’ve only played early during last season but DH was broken op at that stage and during AWC it was also the most played spec and it was the most played dps spec in every bracket (2v2, 3v3, Shuffle) on every rating for the entire season. It’s perfectly reasonable to demand nerfs to the class and it should’ve happened much earlier than now.
There are classes which create awful metas when they are S+ tier and DH is sadly among them (similar to Fistweaver, Fury, BM/Demo or Augmentation for example). People in gaming forums complain about the entire universe, I’m surprised that DH players are surprised that their class is among the complaints.
Keep calm guys irony still mad cause fero bite hit too hard
Irony are always upset based on how you talk about DHs. But its funny how he claims to not be biased at the same time.
Asking for any form of nerf = Assumes you just hate the spec and wants it F tier.
Undervaluing the spec and be as cringe as the normal “we die in a stun” while giving weird comparisons with other specs DH mob = Will agree with you while exaggerating more.
You could even see it with the post above.
Seems to be the norm when its related to DH.
Mostly because they truly believe their spec is always B or low A tier even when they are S tier.
There are reasons why they always scream “We die in a stun” or try to undervalue their spec.
it is a hyperbole, thats why i send a rnd 400k rising sunkick screen, because every class can get a “high crit”
welcome to the pvp forum 
the thing is, devs listen most likely to us People
and everyone knows, that the average IQ of an Us people is lower, than the IQ from an european
the average us guy, also have less time to play the Game, which also means, that the Skill is lower, because they dont have the time to put so much effort into this game, except streamers
thats why it is easier to climb on us as an European, BUT the main problem here is, These people are so convinced of wrong things that they send suggestions on the forum
u see there suggestions like “remove mortal strike” or make every warri ability like a dh bladedance aoe
or give dh a “auto passive blur” etc, the problem is, those guys have a input when it comes to suggestions because blizzard listens to them
and these type of people makes also the game worse
DH been stomping class since introduction in legion.
Compare the class resource management to all other classes and see.
On top of that their stupidly insane mobility that makes them harder to escape than frost mages.
Was always like that and will keep on being like that forever.
The problem is that the class got rushed so fast.
He ain’t wrong. 
People are crying about DHs constantly, even after nerfs, yet don’t complain about how stupid Rogues are, etc. Plenty of other broken crap swarming the PvP side.
yes of course
sometimes its insulting even replying to people making bold claims pretending that they understand the game
I play against good players, I lose or win, I learn things, I talk based on that
regardless if I talk about my class or something else
meanwhile people like you play on 50 games per season on 1600 and base their arguements off 3rd party website statistic exclusively or just something they “don’t like”
that’s why i would rather argue with some other players rather than yourself, because you don’t understand the game on a good enough level to have a solid opinion on anything
and thats simply a fact
all you can do is try to twist words for your own benefit similar to some journalist humiliating themselves
so it doesn’t matter if it’s about DH, or some other topic, any topic, you need to actually play the game more instead of sitting on forums pretending your opinion is well-rounded out of thin air
It’s like talking to some kid in kindergarten, you say 50 words to him, hes like “bias bias bias” eheheheheh