For both Protadin and Prot Warrior, using a shield is just too integral a class fantasy element to be changed overnight.
You’d have to change Shield Wall, Shield Block, Shield Slam, Avenger’s Shield and Holy Shield, to name a few abilities - these are baseline that have been in the game since Vanilla or TBC.
Even if it went through it wouldn’t feel right to me at all. Maybe this one item is why I’m so fond of both specs - especially in Classic it was both a powerful offensive and defensive tool that I loved. That, and I always felt safer when playing with a shield, it made me calmer personally.
No. Shield Bash and Throwing Shield are already skills tied to weapons. I just want them to be more universal/altered to work with 2-hands.
That’s a major difference.
Alright, fair enough.
Not really. Paladins have 2 base spells that require a shield to tank. Everything else works universal.
Those are Shield of the Righteous (Shield Bash) and Avenger’s Shield (Throwing Shield). One is a skill literally tied to your shield, that would need a replacement, like for example Blade of Justice but with lower damage and higher threat generation. And Avenger’s Shield is literally a holy based spell that just requires a shield. A Paladin can use the Light both offensively and defensively. You can’t tell me a Paladin can’t make a Holy Shield to throw from pure light.
You ignore a major factor why people play certain classes in the first place. Class fantasy.
Someone who loves to play a Paladin or Holy Defender of the Weak, will never feel comfortable playing a Death Knight, a Monk or a Demon Hunter, since all their class fantasy is pointed into a different direction and appeal.
Also, you can’t tell me that a Paladin or Warrior in Lore suddenly can’t hold a 2-hand weapon and survive encounters almost as good as with a shield because “the class fantasy doesn’t support it”.
That’s like saying a soldier of modern days can’t survive a fight using a knife instead of a gun.
You would be surprised how usual this is in game development to just copy/paste and alter the copy a bit.
And nothing will ever change that. You can’t force people into developing leadership skills and responsibility. But you can offer more tools to those that have those skills but don’t want to play a certain way to fill that role.
Again, that is a problem with the community, not the classes. Blizzard can’t change this community and never will be able to do it a thousand years.
That would also be a solution. Maybe one that is easier to do from a designer perspective. But then again, people would find other “little problems” to complain about such a change, like “it ruins the class fantasy for me” or “I can’t differ tanks from dds in pvp” and so on…
Fair point, but then again, that is a personal opinion. You are just used to a (possibly outdated) skill set from 12y+ ago. Times change, as Garrosh used to say.
I want to have a tank spec for Shamans (again), Rogues getting back Weapon spec but this time as a tank spec and Warlocks getting a second Spec where instead of summoning a Legion of Demons you summon only one strong demon with whom you tank.
Just insert: protection warrior / paladin in the above and you nuked your own thread.
Class fantasy would be 100% ruined for me if paladins or warriors can tank without a shield.
Overall that example pointed out that we have 2 handed tanks in the game, if that doesnt fit your playstyle or feel about a class there is no reason to suddenly adapt said class to be more like another one.
Totally aware of this, but people like you with the suggestion i disagree with is one of the reasons why it happens.
Overall your suggestion is somehow above class fantasy or when told it isnt class fantasy to begin with, you counter with: but class fantasy can be adapted. And you use said examples now as arguments to persuade me or tell my opinion is wrong. (Which is also silly but that is the wow forums nowadays)
Question? Can we currently mog armortypes that are they not? Like you wear cloth but mog plate or vice versa? If yes I see no problem. If no then then it obfuscate the gear you have even more then before.
Why would it be ruined for you if you still can play a Paladin/Warrior Tank with a shield if you wish to? That’s a pretty egoistic mindset, if you say it ruins it for you when others can play a way they like while you could still play a way you like as a Tank.
I don’t see where that would ruin it for anyone except the people that are bothered by what and how other people (want to) play the game.
From an objective PoV it is wrong to be against changes that don’t impact your own experience in any way aside of seeing people not have a shield in their hands on their character when they tank.
Doesnt matter it would still work, but for me personally which i was very clear about, would ruin said class for me.
Nothing egoistic about it. Thats my opinion which i clearly stated multiple times.
Ties into the above. 99% of your replies to people can be countered with your own arguments. I can insert the People play because of class fantasy thing. It would again make sense.
You can put a suggestion out there, and you get feedback upon said suggestion. Paladin might be your preferred class and their class fantasy is to tank with a shield. Your suggestion would ruin class fantasy according to some people.
But when people tell you they disagree because of the same class fantasy you tell people they are selfish or egoistic.
Even tho you fail to see why people wouldnt want the class fantasy to be changed.
For me (myself / my own enjoyment / my own mindset towards class fantasy, clear enough?)
I would put my warrior aside whenever we would be able to tank with 2handers, simply because it doesnt fit the class fantasy.
even the bears 
