Thank you from everybody that doesn’t play these 2 legendary items
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I understand that you want hunters to be free kills, but craven isnt getting removed until hunter is reworked defensive wise, and since that isnt happening then craven is staying.
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Leave CD as it is but this shoudn’t remove any debuffs , it’s beyond retarded the way it is now.
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Give them 2 stacks of Aspect of the Turtle like in MoP - problem solved.
That would just be an insult. I did write earlier a good fix:
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Craven Strategem changed. Now allows you to use Feign Death and Aspect of the turtle while stunned. No longer removes negative status effects or lowers cooldown.
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Survival Tactics (PvP-talent) changed: Feign Death removes magic effects only, but can no longer be used while stunned.
By doing these two changes, you give some survivability in harsh situations but not overpowered and you cant have it all, and you can no longer remove bleeds or other status effects.
What is wrong in 2 stacks of Aspect of the Turtle like 2 stacks of Ice Block?
What does ice block has to do with turtle?..
It is a defensive CD that blocks all incoming damage. The only difference is that you get dot damage through Turtle. With 2 stacks you can stop 1 go every 1,5 min.
Sure, but you cant compare that straight off since mages have all their shields and the healing from them, AND the healing while ice blocked. In other words, they have alot more surviability and tankiness than hunters without current craven would have.
Basically in MoP and WoD Hunters had 2 stacks of Detterence and no Craven and they were ok. Why do they need it now?
Yeah why do they need it now? Not like any other changes have been made to other classes or the damage / tempo 
Well dots were the counter to Hunters always but now it’s other way around.
what? Double deter is an insult?
Your suggestion is very inferior to just having two stacks of deterence.
Also stop with this bias blidnfolded to the death defense when any topic about hunters pops up. Hunters are OP af atm, they need tuning and if you thing craven is ok, which by your biased defending i assume you do, then i would recomend to you try to play sp affly assa feral or so class against it and see how it is.
As i said, for all hunters defending this abomination item i would likr to hear their opinion on adding new legendary to the game. Universal for all clases like sephuz. Adding a ne spell “oneshot puppy” …instant, 15sec cs, gives caster 50k shield, reduce damage taken by 90% for 1 sec and instantly kill all pets and minions in 500y radius. So you can spent the whole game trying to ress pet just to get it murdered instantly again, like im trying to recast VT entire game just to get it dispelled by healer or hunter.
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Did you miss my post like two above saying how to nerf craven in a fair way without destroying the hunter class, AND making it so that dotclasses actually can kill it? How the f am i defending craven?
you think nerfing Craven is a fair way if you allow Hunters to feign death and deterence while stunned lmao. joker… Hunter don’t even deserve Deterence never mind 2
Oh wow deterrence once / 3 minutes. Jesus.
And feign death? yeah i agree, against clowns its probably OP because they dont realize they can target the hunter when its feigned. But against people with 10 braincells it will buy about 1-2 seconds.
Hunters are a joke and deserve heavy goddam nerfs. The ONLY reason they aren’t every whereis becasue RMP is king right now.
Oh for sure, hunter damage needs to be toned down and flayed shot needs to be changed.
Yeah it really does lmao.
Can we add so rogues can vanish, cloak and evasion in stuns as well? Maybe druids should be able to change into bear-form while stunned as well? 