Don’t know what are you talking about. I ran keys together with ww or retri paladins and they do insanely good dps or trash packs 
Well, windwalker recently was like 2nd ranked dps behind fire mages, I don’t know how they are after this patch.
Friend got kicked from party for being frost not fire mage, lol
Title of the Post [CAN’T BE ACCEPTED IN ANY MYTHIC+ GROUP FOR BEING A NON-META] .
Ok go create an enha shaman and come back to tell me your rio without having a group.
Wow community in a post !
For those who gave advises.
Many many thanks.
Most of these directions I do follow them , I’m actually between 4 - 6 top paladins in Tarren Mill, with legendary logs in Hc CN , and Epic in Mythic CN.
I also have 1.6K RIO by now.
And I’m doing very well and my dps is high , but I’m just stating the hard ship to get these ranks , and the grinds is ouuufff !
and if you compare these effort to Meta classes, is where the main topic started.
As you all agree, People do what they see with big professional groups.
I will make it simple:
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On raid, there is more chances to get any classes as long as you pull your weight on, the weird demand of stacking specific classes are 90% not existed , only with Top first kills WW.
first of all, it doesn’t really add that change and also its hard to get that much of a group in guild designed for exact tacs unless you aim for world’s first.
I would also add that raids are more forgiving on mistakes and with the time they get nerfed fast.
Most of hard/ semi core player who focus on raids, do have so knowledge about the reality of steam/ MDI / meta and so on. -
On the opposite hand, Mythic + , can still be run with casual player, I have seen them rolling Meta classes getting boosted to 15s with guildies then run some M+ , and boys how easy to get the Rio with these classes.
With the respect to all opinion.
Main point still that: the movement towards Meta and what big streamers do affecting the play style and make the game toxic - sadly.
Not sure if this suggestion will be ever looked at but application/ dung finder needs to be reworked again.
Limited application should be allowed (5 tanks/ 5 healers/ 20 dps ) and once you declined you open another spot for Application and also other people cant see the full occupied group with the max amount of application.
Another suggestion, capped and fast CDs and huge burst should be looked at it !
I understand that is 100% easier if you have a group , BUT this post is not about complaigning that "my class sucks blizzard fix it .
It is about most groups will not invite you UNLESS you play mate class.
And no i am not talking about +3 +6 i am talking about +15 and above.
Yes you can be polite and friendly ONCE you join a group
But what to do when you CANT join a group.
Not everyone can play with friends and not every guild is interested in m+ !
NO i am not gonna change a guild or GET some friends !
This topic is for people who cant join a group cause they are not META !
If your solution to that is get a friend or change your guild you are not helping!
This is a proposition for a solution !
The problem is that most of the groups will decline the Non Meta class till they get a Meta class .
Warrior Tank will never find a group , warrior will reroll to dh and they lived happily ever after THE END.
Now what if we make the search tool more interesting instead of the class and spec it shows only your role “melee dps” “range dps” “tank” “healer”.
Groups can see your rio but cant see if you are sub rogue or surv hunter.
This as well.
Groups will not have the choice of choosing the meta class and you ll not be able to have multiple of the same class/spec unless you are so unlucky and pick 3 melee dps or 3 ranged dps.
You dont like what i said ?
GOOD now suggest something new.
That shammy is a friend of mine. He has been running m+ with his friends since they came out in legion, and I can guarantee you that even him gets declined quite often with his 2300+ rio.
TBH I cannot blame people for preferring meta classes. It is obviously that the way the game is designed favours fotm classes/spec.
Everybody invites boomies, mages and hunters because they know they will have an easier time.
Take the current m+ week: storming is a huge pain compared to volcanic, as the volcanic spawn and don’t move, I can sear those tornadoes will chase you to eternity
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As i said earlier, the meta only makes sense or matters in high keys, it doesn’t work in low keys.
And that is a community perception problem, not a balance issue
Right, the 2800 shaman is your friend … ranked as the 51 best DPS in the world across all specs …
am 100% whit you on this am my self a fury warrior and my io is stuck @ 1769 need to do 19+ in order to improve my io i spend idd as you hours singing up and the only thing i see apear is decline sins am not a meta class the favo combo is mage/druid/hunter and for what even 90% of the time the groups am in i outdps those so called meta classes on overall damage and you can say push your own key true bhut example i had a 18 @ the start of the reset and now its a 16 couse am forced to take lower io people to push my key and it fails so i cba to keep pushing my own key constandly just of the fear of waisting time and monny (game-time) a lot of people are so mind closed and only see the meta stuff and i know meta doosend mean the sear amount of damage that certain class can do its aswel of the uttility it can bring to the table and that is where warriors go down the drain in my oppinion they have litterly nothing to bring except the shout for a small time of increased hp and on top of those meta classes blizz have dicided in all there glory and might to dictate even it more whit cind of covenant you need to be aswel i had so manny people already saying to me you need to be ventyr as a warrior no i dont need to be a ventyr as a warrior first i choose my self what covenant i like to play 2nd am nightfea sins thats the best covenant for fury warriors in m+ and 2nd in line for raiding ventyr is on 3th place for m+ and 1st place on raiding and it exels in beying a arms warr sins you get a imp exute bhut for fury its not and thats what a lot of people dont even relize bhut am shure that warrior issend the only class that have this proublem
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WELL you have about 20-30 dps to choose from when you make a group for any +14 keys.
You choose to play a spec that either arent wanted or is actually “pvp” spec.
See way to many post about meta doesnt matter unless its +20, these kinda people seems to forget that NOT everyone is +220 geared and can stomp +15 keys.
Yumi/grul/growl did an experiment yesterday on his monk, to see if he could get invite into +20 key as healer monk. Even he couldnt and he is one of the higher rio score healers and play all healing classes.
the worst part is, even at 10 to 14 keys, even if you use your own, and get a group up, the instant they se you are not playing the meta class, they leave, I tried to make a few groups using my own key, out of 5 tries not a single run started, and notable I made them chill runs for vault, and still nope.
It wil always be like that. We just have to accept it, it will never be a perfect world (unless they remove all classese except 5 and you cant class/spec stack or something lol).
Its like community dont accept surv hunter, ret paladins and few other specs.(btw I hate ret! Ill never invite one, ever)
it does i call them idiots sorry but honest treu you dont need meta for low 15 keys you need players brain all u need
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