Casual player's thoughts - titanforging is FINE

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Clearly you do not.

Wrong.

Probably.

No they are not. That’s just your opinion.

Doing the same content on a higher difficulty than the easiest available seems boring and pointless to me.

And that’s where you are wrong. Like I said; you don’t understand. So don’t pretend you do.

This is one of the most toxic points of view I have heard. Come on man. People enjoy content in lots of different ways and you do not get to tell them they are wrong for liking what they do.

That’s a very, very cynical way of looking at it. And tbh this way of looking at LFR is basically only done by players who raid on higher difficulties. They somehow think they’re better for liking their content in a different way.
The type of behaviour you mention is more often than not YOUR type of players who come to LFR to leech a % chance (no matter how small) of getting a high TF.
Your type of players are ruining LFR with your high and mighty, better-than-thou attitude.

And you never will, because you’re wired differently. I will never understand why people do mythic raids. Nothing about it appeals to me and I don’t get it why people would willingly do that horrible type of content when you could see and do the exact same stuff but easier. It’s such a huge waste of time and effort.

So here we are. You don’t get me, I don’t get you.
I like TF, you don’t. We are never going to agree.
But the thing is; your way of enjoying the game is not shared by the majority of players. And at the end of the day Blizzard will cater to the majority more because that’s what makes sense and keeps the game income healthy.

So in short, you can stop trying to convince Blizzard because they will listen to cold hard numbers only. Like they themselves said; TF is here to stay.

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I love it!

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The game isn’t catered to casuals. It’s being catered to for all kinds of players.
It’s just that there’s been some features introduced which are created more for people who enjoy WoW in healthy doses. And the hardcore people don’t like it because their ‘hit’ is being taken away.

But RNG crosses all playertypes and is at the basis of the MMORPG genre. Yes, I agree that Blizzard is going overboard with it. To use an analogy: TF is just one small cog in a big RNG machine and not the particular piece you need to replace or remove to make the machine run smoother.

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oh belive me they will, cause the ones saying in the game will be casuals. then you will see how the game will still apel to you…
well you see the way you are describing it, it looks to me you are here to defend the easy way, but psycologically seen this is not the way to grow your personality…

i understand that mythic raiding is not for everyone, but humans are competitive and agressive by nature, this is what kept us alive and living, yet the post-modernist idologues are trying to erase that side of the human nature… all about rights and no responsibilites, but thas beyond the point here maybe…

look i dont want lfr or petbattle or pvp to be gone from the game
i dont even want titanforging to be remooved from the game, in case you missed this one here:
-The thing about titanforge - #24 by Powerprime-draenor
-The Scrapper Changes are good, could be so much more

all i am saying the way the game is balanced right now is not statifying to the players aiming to develop their character in a meaningfull and predictable way, if this does not appeal to you, im fine with that…

you seem rather angry at me maybe because you think i belittle the way you want to play the game or maybe because you think i want to tell you how to play the game… this is not it, i dont want to dictate you how to play the game or how blizz should change it, so you dont enjoy it but i do.

the difference between us in content is so big that i will never encounter you under any circumstances, ever.

im only going lfr for the call to arms reward as tank btw, and its horrifying every time i go there, unless 5 pple there are heroic or mythic raiders, then its smooth af. but if you are to think it would be cool to go there with players, whohm the content actually is catored to, would be an enjoyable expirience, more power to you.

the 2 threads i posted are designet in a way to suggest how the progression could be smoothed out for people on the top end without changing litterally anything for people on the lower end, maybe exept giving them one more choice what to do with their gear…

if you read those 2 you will understand, that i love all players and i want the game to be better than it is right now, you cannot argue with that…

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Actually decline in the game pop is normal and it was going down since Wotlk times bit by bit , and things like that do happen to all MMOS , especially the ones which have been around for so long as WoW, and that’s not the fault of LFR since it only gave the chance to a lot of the players which didn’t had a chance before for whatever reason to raid to experience how the raiding looks like.

And this game currently is tuned for everyone, casual and hardcore alike, hardcore players atm have in the game mythic raids which judging by the Blizzard statistic only minority of the players do, and also mythic + system for dungeons which a lot of e-sport people do like. I’m just saying how the game can’t be tuned just for the needs of some small percentage of the hardcore players, when it actually needs to be made to satisfy the majority of the players which are currently paying a subscription and when you have the limited resources on the disposal to create the content. And about guides, someone will always make them, even if the most hardcore players do quit.

Also there was a MMO for which the devs wanted to be more hardcore than the others and which turned away the casual players called Wildstar , the story about it didn’t turned to be a good one in the end.

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If only. This was a game that was growing. Then it was a game that wasn’t growing or shrinking. Then it became a game that’s shrinking.

I don’t speak for any casual player other than myself. Vanilla and tbc catered to me as a casual. Wrath and cata tolerated me. Pandaria onwards gave me the middle finger.

If that’s the case, then I guess it’s a healthy, growing game - just not one for me. I hope it keeps on that healthy track and keep its players satisfied.

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Agreed.
And look, if enough players want ways to work towards upgrading gear thats fine with me too. I put in the effort, I just do it within the boundaries of the content I like. I don’t leech in LFG. I don’t afk in cities just to chat… I do content that might be classified as ‘casual’ but I am not actually a casual player since, when I enjoy the game, I play a LOT. I used to raid in vanilla, but I grew to despise it, so LFR is a blessing for me.
And I am BORED out of my skull in BfA. So yeah, the game as it is today is far from perfect, but seeing time and again that people blame LFR, TF and such for all manner of things; it just gets so tiresome. Making the game more accesible is NOT bad for the game.

And a lot of what I said wasn’t aimed at you specifically, but rather at the general type of player who opposes TF. I am not angry at you. I’m angry at the hatred.

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pandaria was the best expansion ever in my opinion xD <3

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you are right, there are alot of things demanding a propper overhawl and a major discussion, not only lfr and titanforging, but these are the 2 i am most familiar with.

Proffessions are sht, gearing up is sht, pvp seems to be ok but the gearing up in pvp is sh*t aswell…and the list goes on and not…

I just wish we could get some chance to throw not only feedback but some wellstructured and put together suggestions, like i tried to do in my threads, at the devs… but it seems blizzard employees are cucked by activision, so even if they wanted to listen, they proppably cant.

btw any of you interested in joining in discord instead of typing 1000word essays at eachother ? could be fun xD

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well you see those things stated are meant to be catoring to the players, but they are really lackluster. It seems to me the same as if your mom made you lunch for scool but only put 2 carrots and a piece of bread in your lunch box… its catored to you to not starve but its not fun either… bad example but if you would read the 2 threads i posted you would understand

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This is true, but we pick our battles. Some don’t compete in games like WoW, but in other aspects of life. If we went 10 years back in time, I’d be raiding mythic and attempting to amongst the best on my server at least. I left that part of me behind because my real life caught up with my playtime, and I ended up being too exhausted by my responsibilities IRL to be able to focus on progression oriented raiding.

Point is, I am sure Tahra has other aspects of his/her life where she compete. WoW just isn’t one of them. He/she can obviously speak for herself/himself, but using Tahra as an example anyways(and myself for that matter).

Though, due to past experiences and goals in this game, I absolutely get the mindset of many mythic raiders. I’ve just jumped the ship, but remember the dedication quite clearly still.

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thats beyond the point… like i said i never wanted to take away the playstyle of other people doing casual stuff and play the game to relax… i feel like i am the 3rd party between the ones who hate tf and the ones defending it.

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And you believe that Titanforging is such a system? If that were true then how come WoW subscriber numbers peaked during Wrath of the Lich King and have since dropped massively, despite systems like Titanforging and LFR being introduced?

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Because in WoTLK WoW was still this MASSIVE thing that everyone knew about and wanted to play, there were barely any games on the market that was as big and diverse as WoW was.

Where as now, There’s loads of games out there that are as big as WoW, if not bigger. Not to mention, most of the “old generation” have left, due to IRL restrictions and other things.

It also doesn’t help that many games out there now, that the younger generation play do not require too much grinding. Just their mom/dad/their own credit card and they can get everything they want in game. WoW has already been falling down this, but there’s still a lot of grinding in the game (As there should be!).

But, this itself does not entertain the players of today. They can’t spend hours a day farming the same mobs just for the CHANCE of something. There time is “more precious” than that, and so they’d just like to pay their way through most things.

So, comparing the Subs from WoTLK and now is not a very good thing to do. It doesn’t truly make any sense to do such things.

You have to think, WoW has been out 14 years… That’s a LONG time for a game to be one of the best MMO’s out there (Debatable now, but it was the best for a while). It’s becoming old, and so more and more people are moving on to the new and “exciting” things. Or moving on to the games where you can “Pick up and go”, rather than games which require you to do some build up first.

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tbh WoW started losing most of its player-base when blizzard started changing the core fundamentals of the game. could be just a coincidence but its pretty much a fact. not a necessary correlation but if you look at subscriber data from “back in the days” when it was still released, its easy to spot at what patches/changes the game was losing its playerbase.

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Those that hate titanforge are mythic raiders i guess, you do not deserve better gear than people that play 100 times more tha you?

remove the tf and wf and make paragon levels for time played.

i dont think those friday night raiders you hardly see online deserve anything…

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time played means nothing, hardest content should be the most rewarding not the one that’s the most time consuming.

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I hate Titanforging, and I haven’t even stepped into LFR yet in BfA, let alone anything higher. CBA. I lost my respect for gear progression a couple of months after first dinging in Cata, but since TF came in, I’ve graduated from disrespect to outright contempt.

It’s not about “deserve”, whatever illiusion people hold in their heads about what that might mean, it’s about building on a character, making choices, goals, achievement, satisfaction. Slot machines trample on any such concepts.

Having said all that, I still wouldn’t rate Titanforging in WoW’s Top Twenty problems; it’s just one more small thread that is now broken.

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Im fairly convinced all sorts of players dislike titanforging, and they’re the majority.

this.
it removed the BiS concept, unless you get a piece with perfect stats, that’s 395 ilvl titanforge with a socket. which is as rare as me winning a lottery.
there’s no more gear satisfaction.

I feel like, small issues create one big one.

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Yes. im in the same situation of Grainne and i would like to have TF removed. And im all dressed in TF armor

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