Hi, I’m not sure where to put this, so I’ll put it here. The content in the game I’m most fond of are m+ and doing some pvp. Now, I love that the catalyst charges are in the game, it lets you catch up with people who raid a lot or who get a good vault drop. The issue I’m currently facing is this: I have to choose the gear I want to modify into tier and it will have quite an impact on the other types of content I like to play. Because now I’ve chosen to have a 4-set in pve gear, but that means I have 0 setpieces in pvp. Is it an idea to look into the “unlocking” or “having an upgrade on a piece of gear” like we have with the crests? If you turned a piece of gear into tierset before, you only need to pay some valorstones to turn a different piece for the same slot into tier again? (Or you know, just have tier bonus on the pieces already?)
Because now I will have to wait 7 weeks to turn my conquest gear into set pieces? I know you get a setpiece at 1600 rating, but what about the people who don’t get there? Having the setbonus seems to be an edge you’re getting, and it will be a greater reward for those who are good at pvp than those who aren’t because they can get it earlier and it will only make it easier for them to push ahead of those who aren’t good at it? It kind of maintains a gap between good and bad players, while (I feel) pvp should be more skillbased? EDIT: I mean the tier bonus gives an edge, not the one piece at 1600 you get.
It feels like I have to pick some type of content I want to do and I should just leave the other be until I can get my edge there too. Because I’m not good at pvp, I just like it. I have no issue of there being a bit of work involved with getting gear and getting thumped in the meantime. This seems like a missed opportunity to balance it out a bit. The good players will end up on higher ladders anyway, so what’s the reason to not do it?
I can understand your point of view, but at the same time you have to understand that World of Warcraft already caters to a lot of the “I don’t have enough time/resources” kind of player base, even though they’re now in the majority.
There does need to be a limit or restriction on how much “free” content in the term of powerful items, that players should be given without putting effort into the progression of their characters.
The “good players” will always be ahead of you and others, no matter how much you’re given on a silver plater.
It’s like the old saying, “give them an inch and they take a mile”. Blizzard has to set boundaries on what they’re willing to give the players, without just making it a login, get everything and log out within a 24-hour window.
You have to make the decisions on what you want your character to have/be/do. Blizzard can’t make that decision for you at every corner you take.
That’s not really the point, even if I did have all the time in the world, I would still have to wait 7 weeks before I could get all the tier bonuses on my gear because you only get a charge every 2 weeks. I wouldn’t mind having to buy it at certain ratings I could never even achieve, it’s just that this seems totally achievable, but you have to pick one “side” over the other.
The reason for that is that most people aren’t lazy, useless scroungers that don’t want to work for a living. People work so that they can have the nice things in life, and therefore they don’t have unlimited time to sit around stinking in their parents’ spare room playing WoW all day and have to make time for it after work.
Oh, I completely understand that we’re all not teenagers again on a summer holiday from school or just finished school and decided to not do anything for a year or however long people may decide to be lazy etc.
But I’m from that era of you want something, put the effort in to get it.
I know I’ll never be doing Mythic level content. I just don’t have the patience or time for it. The same for PvP, I won’t get all the top gear as I don’t really like PvP all that much, but I will venture into it from time to time.
But just because of a time restriction or a limit on ways to upgrade gear beyond what I should be able to personally achieve, shouldn’t put me in a position, where I need to ask for more ways for that to possible.
I’m not saying the OP a bad person or a lazy person. I’m just saying there are avenues already in the game for people to earn those things, if they really want them.
To be fair - even with the time that I have outside of work, I still have all the things I want from WoW and rarely go without so it is entirely possible to work full time and still get all the cool things from WoW; you just have to know how to get what you want without wasting time unnecessarily.
Yeah, it’s all down to time management & research. It’s not as difficult as some people make it out to be. Especially considering all the websites & addons, which people have access too, compared to what World of Warcraft was like at the very beginning 20 years ago… good old Thottbot!
But again, I really do see the PoV of people like Ramphage. There just needs to be a limitation on what is given, compared to what is earned.
Not really. There used to be a pvp track in the vault where you could also get a tier bonus on your gear. This is gone now. The only way you can get tier set bonus on pvp gear now is by using the token you get at 1600 or converting it in the catalyst. Or am I totally wrong here? I wouldn’t mind it being in the great vault again, because it would be a reward you have worked for. Now it’s literally waiting for weeks until you can get it on your gear and no other way around it?
In pve you could do a lfr, normal, hc (or mythic if you’re good enough) to potentially loot a tier piece. You could loot it in your vault by doing m+ or delves. So doesn’t seem balanced?
You have honor, conquest, blood, and I’m sure something else, which you can earn too then to purchase the PvP gear, which you can then upgrade with valorstones.
I do remember the PvP track of the vault and I really don’t know why they removed it to replace it with the delve system.
Just like PvE, the PvP currencies are locked before a weekly cap, so there is no imbalance there.
In part, it’s the same with gear progression, but on the scale of you can pick what you want to purchase with those currencies, whereas in PvE, you’re totally in the hands of RNG as to what you could receive.
Things can always be improved & made easier to understand how the progression track work.
But how is this a problem? Unless i’m reading this wrong, we’re talking about the item you get every two weeks that lets you swap a bit of gear for a set piece?
Excuse me not knowing the names of these tokens - I have a terrible memory retention issue.
So far we’ve only had, what, two of them so far? So only two bits of gear can be swapped using these, but what about getting the gear in other ways? I’ve got four set pieces already, and i’m a real filthy casual player. Tokens drop in raids, you get set items from chests or the vault? I don’t get it.
If PVP gear doesn’t come the same way (I’m not competitive enough to bother with it) then just use your upgrade on that and rely on getting the set gear for PVE the same way we all usually do.
PvP players can only get tier with catalyst charges. M+ have the additional option of vault. This means OP needs 16 weeks on average to get his tier, while others need 8 in pvp.
I recommend to OP though to just catalyze the PvP gear for now, even if it’s only champion-quality.
Also, with how easy it is to maintain alts, my other recommendation is to make another character dedicated to PvP
Don’t really understand why Glad sets don’t have their own set bonusses anymore. They don’t have to be the same as the PvE ones and/or if they are the same simply have them only be active in PvP.
Indeed, the reason for the post is the waiting. There are set bonuses so every type of content wants to use them. Only you don’t get them equally as fast in those fields. I usually don’t have time to raid so for me it’s only from delves or m+. But if you don’t have tier set in m+ you miss out on quite some damage. That shuts out the PVP side though. Playing m+ with upgraded pvp gear is also not great. You got loads of versatility and for a lot of classes thats not a good stat in pve.
Indeed, the gear is interchangable, but it’s not thàt interchangable if the stats you need are different in the type of content you play.