It is not against the EULA. They never mention the word Griefing. They are specifically saying that dishonorable behaviour like corpse camping etc is allowed on pvp realms.
It doesn’t matter what is and isn’t Griefing. Griefing is not a word used and its not against the rules in any form.
You can ask me what is REASONABLE, because that is a word that is actually used and have some sort of meaning. What is reasonable is very different between PvP and PvE realms.
On a pvp realm I think its reasonable to camp an area for as long as you want.
Targeting a specific player and follow them around max 24h.
Ok so they are mentioning the word Griefing in an article. No definition though…
That means that it’s not griefing because griefing is not allowed but killing the opposite faction is specifically allowed on pvp realms including dishonorable behaviour like corpse camping etc so it literally can’t be griefing in this context.
Your logic is as flawless as your ability to read, but I’m not sure why you are so set on not calling it griefing. In the end it doesn’t matter, people will do it, blizzard won’t do anything about it, and we’ll see plenty of whining about it. This thread may even inspire some people to give it a go.
Griefing is not allowed and what I described is LITERALLY allowed so it literally can’t be griefing.
What we are discussing here, attacking the enemy faction on a pvp realm, IS NOT GRIEFING no matter if they are trying to do a quest or not.
It all boils down to what is REASONABLE, that is the word they use in the EULA.
It is reasonable to kill the enemy faction on a pvp realm and prevent them from doing a quest. I don’t know for how long, but a pretty long time probably.
No it is not. It is listing several words, and they don’t have to occur at the same time for something to violate the rules. Seeing how most of your posts in this thread indicates a lack of ability to read it is not surprising to see that you don’t understand the meaning of what you are trying to read though.
But the exception for “pvp on pvp servers” mentions no such requirement. So by applying your logic it literally can’t be against the rules, even if it continues for a month or longer.
Griefing is not allowed according to the rules. You showed me that yourself.
What I described is literally and specifically allowed according to the rules. I showed you that.
So it is literally impossible for what I described to be considered Griefing in this game.
This is not a matter of opinion or definition of a word. What I described can not be griefing in this game. But for some weird reason you call that griefing anyway, even though it is impossible.
No I did not. I showed you that blizzard uses the word griefing in the EULA. Once again you prove that you have no understanding of what you are reading. The EULA only says that blizzard may suspend you for griefing. Not that they will suspend you, nor that griefing is not allowed under any circumstances.
Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.
And I showed you that it LITERALLY is no griefing or Harassment.
PvP Harassment
If you chose to create your character on a PvP realm, Game Masters will not address situations where you are repeatedly killed by the opposite faction. This includes situations that may be considered dishonorable such as corpse camping or killing players well below your level.
What I described is SPECIFICALLY allowed so it is IMPOSSIBLE for that to be an action that can be described by the word griefing or harassment in this game.
Your usage of the word Griefing is just plain wrong. it’s not a matter of opinion or definitions or usage of that word. You are wrong because the way you use that word here is impossible.
I did notice in the quote Griefing is in quotation marks, which I think means Blizzard don’t really have a definition for it but mostly except the main definition.
The old adage “If it’s red, it’s dead” doesn’t have the caveat, “Unless they are on an escort quest”. I’ve been killed on escort quests before on a PvP realm. Is it dishonourable, yes. Is it against the rules, no. Is it really annoying, hell yeah!
If you do something for the sole purpose of causing grief, you are griefing. It doesn’t matter whether it’s allowed or not, that’s exactly what you’re doing.
Do you think dispellers sit around thinking “Yeah I got rid of that guy’s world buffs, he must be super pleased that I’ve rid him of such evil entities!”? No, they sit around thinking “haha, he just wasted 20 minutes grabbing some buffs and I dispelled him, I bet he’s mad”. That’s griefing.
The griefer gains absolutely nothing, except for the knowledge that he/she has wasted somebody else’s time and likely annoyed them. Should it be banned? Of course not. But that doesn’t mean that it isn’t griefing.
Omg what a silly comment to make. If someone is griefing they are griefing? Is that your argument?
Well I can counter that. If someone isn’t griefing they aren’t griefing.
Playing world pvp on a pvp realm, is this context, in this game, with this EULA, is not griefing. It’s intended and by design and it’s specifically allowed.
Killing the opposite faction while they are doing a quest on a pvp realm is not griefing in this game.
You can make up any definition you want, but in this game, it is demonstrably impossible for that to be considered griefing on a pvp realm.
Ok let me ask you these two questions.
Is that action allowed in this game?
Is griefing allowed in this game?
If that action is allowed, and it is, and griefing is not allowed, your definition, in this game, in this context, must be wrong. The definition you choose for that word is not applicable here. It’s impossible. It may be the correct definition in other games, but not here.
What’s your argument? It isn’t griefing because Blizzard say so?
It is griefing, it’s just allowed.
I’m not the one making definitions up. Again, that isn’t how the English language works.
Yes.
Yes.
Some forms of griefing are allowed, hense why this action is allowed. The EULA is simply written that way so that Blizzard can say “nah look, we’re not encouraging violence and/or hate speech”.
That isn’t how things work.
I can certainly see why Richdude lost his patience with you.
