So we are going from a little light addon like clique for mouseovers to having to create 25 macro’s. I am not sure were are better off like that. And the consequence is when you have your mouse somewhere in the open field you start doing weird spells because you are mouseovering something harm by accident instead of doing the abilities on your target.
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Nah. Screw this. So the results of the “addon purge” is to have ME code them instead? What kind if sick game are they playing??
Look. They should have made a default UI that works FIRST. And THEN purge the addons.
Not the other war arround. I refuse to spend S1 waiting for weeks (or years) for something that allows me to play properly. Or… Be forced to do workarounds by coding that stuff myself.
That is not what I expect from a proper UI. I already explained why “nice” is simply not performant enough. And you wont convince me to settle with a turd while having what i have now.
Yeah. I was advocating for this as well. But toning down multipliers and CDs is one thing. Purging specs down to 1 button is another…
Its dosent have to be black and white you know.
Plus. Look at Ions interview. He talks ONLY about raids. That’s IT. But raids are not infinitely scalable.
So. If you remove the possibility if healers and DDs of dealing with “combo-wombos” then they have to adress that issue in dungeon design.
And that is another thing that should have been done 10 years ago but they did not. So i am 100% sure they will forget M+ exists in midnight… Again…
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I saw you and someone else saying 25 macros. Are you guys click casting every ability and have 50 abilities? 
This really shouldn’t take long. It’s gonna be like 5-6 /cast [hurt] A; B macros. 2 minutes, you’re done.
I don’t actually this fix base UI first thing is possible, and here’s why: If you allow the current cat and mouse to continue and you’re the dog chasing the cat, you’ll never quite reach it, and the game is going to go further and further off the rails.
If the mouse doesn’t run fast enough the cat catches it too easily, the dog catches the cat, but the game is stale.
You just get a different set of complaints tbh.
Well what do you want? If there’s a curse and you can dispel curses it puts an icon that’s purple and looks like some dark rune and it takes around 1/4th of the frame, hovering just above the buff display itself.
I don’t… I don’t see the problem. At all.
What I’m saying is they need to provide options rather than rotations. If you’ve got only one button then obviously you don’t have enough options, so yeah.
The situation with Fire as well, definitely not good. They need to work on that.
Arcane is looking pretty neat though. A few badly thought out talents causing arcane orb spam but otherwise it seems nice. Same thing with Feral Druid. Feral druid is actually looking really fun, I think I might play that.
I think there’s a problem with M+, which is that it almost never adds mechanics and just scales everything up infinitely. While scaling something up can turn it from “not a concern” into “a concern”, at some point you can just hit the point where everything is under control and the dungeon is mathematically impossible…
I’ve mentioned before I think they should reduce the scaling a bit and add a new mechanic every few levels that at first doesn’t do much damage but then itself scales up to match. Level 4: boss has 3 mechanics, level 5 it has 4 but the 4th one deals almost n odamage, level 9 it still has 4 and all are dangerous, level 10 and you’ve got 5 mechanics, etc. etc.
Put this on all the bosses. Now, hopefully high end PvE’ers can get into a more fun sort of challenge. 
But uhhh… they’re not doing that. So… yeah…
I am not sure what click casting is. I use mouseover unitframes and press a hotkey. I do not want that on characters in the field. That is why we use addons like Clique. Depending on the spec i have 15 or more hotkeys setup like that.
I do wonder if clique will still work. It doesn’t need combat log to function I’d think?
Trying to set up the base UI now, I don’t like it (but I have been using the same UI for the last 7 years or so, so not so strange 
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That’s click-casting. And yes, the fact that you can’t differentiate what is click-casted upon and what isn’t is a serious defect. That must be fixed, otherwise healers are gonna have a bad time.
I’m… unsure. It can’t get at the target itself when looking at the frame, so it won’t know what to target, but it may be able to do a pass-through of some sort.
Like for example it could put click-through frames on top of the other frames and then only allow click-casting to be activated when you’re hovering over those frames maybe? Might be possible.
Either way, this is the sort of thing that should definitely be allowed. If Blizzard breaks this, that’s bad.
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Interesting. To me this is a way to not have to click 
It is more like non-click casting.
:'D
It’s called that because you use a click to cast as opposed to clicking to target, then using the keyboard to cast.
But i am not clicking at all?
It doesnt matter Funny though.
So the Blizzard click casting does not let me bind my dispell to click casting, that’s a big minus already.
This will only lead to one outcome .more shortage of healers and tanks in wow . While everyone switches to DPS in retail .
I don’t know which genius in wow development team is coming up with these half baked solutions .
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Most self respecting tanks and healers probably wouldn’t want to run with the PUG crowd anyway, so I doubt this would change much. Says me, a PUG tank. 
Not 50 abilities. No class has 50 abilities that need targeting.
You are talking about the end-result of this. Which we can agree.
What I disagree is on how we get there. I dont trust blizzard will do it right. Based on the fact that they have not done it right for 4 years atleast.
The fact that if its a Poison it also shows up in the same spot.
And if you add boxes on top of boxes with buffs, debuffs, and dispells all in the party frames in the end you dont see anything…
Its simple. Color the box red if I can dispel. Green if I cant dispell (or there is nothing to dispel). And buffs are boxes in the frame.
DONE.
Why do I want it like this? Because the Blizz Click on cast dosent work if you are hovering over a debuff box. It has to be the frames itself (pixel to pixel).
If I have the frame full of boxes I have to navigate where to click on the party frame. Which I dont want to do.
Yeah… blizzard has focused all its efforts from a DPS PoV. For 20 years in a row they ingonored the healer/tank mini-games. Not just from a UI perspective, but from a gameplay perspective too.
It’s one of the reasons why we got tank/healer shortages.
Scaling is part of the game. Its the difference between Delve 1 and Delve 11. Its the difference between LFG and Mythic Raid…
And no. Things dont 1-shot you and infinite scaling is NOT the problem. Mechanics are the problem. Things 1-shot in a +22 for example. But why are +14s hard? Because when you have 1 unavoidable AoE, that dosent 1-shot you, PLUS 1 “bolt” that also dosent 1-shot. The sum of both… THAT 1-shots you. Individually they are not even close to 1-shotting.
The counter-play to that is awareness. With out addons, awareness goes through the window. And the alternative is a whole bunch of unavoidable damage with no possible counterplay.
At level 10 you will have 5 mechanics. That individually will not do significant damage. But toguether you will get a combo-wombo that does 1-shot.
Its a problem today with TWO mechanics (AoE + bolt). Or AoE + swirlie. Or ST nuke + bolt. THAT is what kills you on a +10.
And your solution to that is to add FIVE mechanics on top?
Like I said. You will BEG for complex rotations if that is our future.
Bosses in M+ are a joke. Packs are the problem here.
Like… when was the last time you did M+ my friend? Are you up in your game here?
What?
I have it bound to my right mouse-button through blizzard’s thing on my druid and mage.
https://i.imgur.com/OQhjMNH.png
100% sure that you can. Literally 100%. You can bind any ability to it, and dispel is an ability.
You know what? Let’s let them cook. If it turns into absolute pandemonium 1 month before release, then we can assess the situation.
I don’t think you understand what I’m saying… or maybe you do and I don’t. :'D
Here’s what I mean:
https://cannotbetamedblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/dba5d-defaultframes.jpg
On this one we’ve got 3 players with a magic dispellable debuff. You can see the special icon in the top right. There’s another one with a diferent shape and colour if there’s a curse etc. There’s only ever going to be one colour per type of debuff. It doesn’t show you the whole set of debuffs.
It also shows the debuff itself on the bottom left, but that’s not what I’m talking about.
Err… no, I’m just a DPS player… /shrug
Anyway, I actually like where they’re going with Guardian as well - they’re slowing it down so it’s not as spammy, so you might see me tanking next expansion.
No, without addons awareness goes through your head and the game world.
I’m arguing for that and lower scaling though, meaning it will not just 1-shot you.
This is just like the raid difficulties. There really is no difference between what I want and what they do. Every difficulty up has a few more mechanics, and it scales up, too.
This morning.
And yeah I agree that it’s the bosses that need some more mechanics, the mobs are doing plenty of nasty stuff - and if they don’t people just pull more.
So basically when its too late.
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It’s not too late then. They can delay the game or they can spend that month fixing any outstanding issues or revert the whole bloody thing.
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The problem with this is that you don’t easily see what debuff it is. Like, I filter out meaningless debuffs currently.
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That’s odd, for me it was greyed out and I got a red text saying it was not available for click casting. I will log in and try again then.
It is not better than Elvui that is for sure, it is just OK.
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