Except that Chronicle is the most up to date canon lore and supersedes the RTS games... Even retcons most of the lore in them that there is probably little point
I would really like to see you quoting the Chronicle text and explaining how it retcons what Perroy just said because so far you have not done that
Did I not just quote the origins of the church of the holy light a few pages back from a section of chronicle V2? Wherein there are no angels, no god, no Latin "deo gratias" quotes, no "spirit of humanity" worship from the RTS games?
who has some views that could be perceived as sexist, while sexism is not present in the lore,
As an aside, sexism was present in Christie Golden's Lord of the Clans, and alledgedly in one of the quests in the Barrens, back in Vanilla. Not too sure on the details of the latter one, however.
That said, that Christie Golden bit is one of the only cases (if not -the- only), and could arguably be chalked down to how out of touch that writer is with the WoW universe.
The only angels and hell references are in the RTS games and ARE retconned by this.
THere's actual several NPC's in WoW who say 'go to hell' or a variant of that.
no Latin
But there is faux latin in WoW, as recent as in Legion, see my post a little above about the paladin class hall artifact history book.
The only angels and hell references are in the RTS games and ARE retconned by this.
THere's actual several NPC's in WoW who say 'go to hell' or a variant of that.
Presumably Shadowlands as a form of hell? Still there does not exist a hell in-game akin to Christian hell. And also is probably an expression. Either that or blizzard forgot to state the usual "what the fel" which they like to use instead of hell.
As for the Latin, I was referring to the quotes from Warcraft 2 where they say "thanks be to God". Ofc Latin is in the game and is used countless times in songs and such to represent the common language.
The only angels and hell references are in the RTS games and ARE retconned by this.
THere's actual several NPC's in WoW who say 'go to hell' or a variant of that.
There are also cases of NPCs who refer to God ("Oh god!") all the way into Legion, if anybody is curious.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Secrets_and_Shady_Deals
Fleet Admiral Tethys says: Tethys 'o th' Blood Sail Buccaneers!
Captured Pirate says: Oh god no! I've heard of you... please don't kill me!
...
THere's actual several NPC's in WoW who say 'go to hell' or a variant of that.
There are also cases of NPCs who refer to God ("Oh god!") all the way into Legion, if anybody is curious.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Secrets_and_Shady_Deals
Fleet Admiral Tethys says: Tethys 'o th' Blood Sail Buccaneers!
Captured Pirate says: Oh god no! I've heard of you... please don't kill me!
Again an expression as there is no religion that believes in a god and isn't really representative of the church of the holy light. This is a game where you aid a Rambo carbon copy cut out gun down gnolls in redridge in the back of a tank. Full of references and expressions.
Either that or blizzard forgot to state the usual "what the fel" which they like to use instead of hell.
Hell is an established concept within Warcraft, used by several characters across faction lines and for several years. 'What the fel' is relegated to novels and player characters.
Uther says "I dearly hope there is a special place in hell waiting for you, Arthas."
There's an area of Outland called the Hellfire Peninsula. There's a family of Orcs called Hellscream.
Likewise the symbol of the Light itself basically mirrors that of the crucifix in my opinion.
...I would really like to see you quoting the Chronicle text and explaining how it retcons what Perroy just said because so far you have not done that
Did I not just quote the origins of the church of the holy light a few pages back from a section of chronicle V2? Wherein there are no angels, no god, no Latin "deo gratias" quotes, no "spirit of humanity" worship from the RTS games?
Sorry I can't find it can you quote it again for me
Either that or blizzard forgot to state the usual "what the fel" which they like to use instead of hell.
Hell is an established concept within Warcraft, used by several characters across faction lines and for several years. 'What the fel' is relegated to novels and player characters.
Uther says "I dearly hope there is a special place in hell waiting for you, Arthas."
There's an area of Outland called the Hellfire Peninsula. There's a family of Orcs called Hellscream.
I know, why I said either they refer to Shadowlands or could be just an expression. Just because they say hell doesn't mean they wish to send people into Christian hell where there is a devil waiting for them. Shadowlands = wow hell.
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Did I not just quote the origins of the church of the holy light a few pages back from a section of chronicle V2? Wherein there are no angels, no god, no Latin "deo gratias" quotes, no "spirit of humanity" worship from the RTS games?
Sorry I can't find it can you quote it again for me
Sure:
Sacrifice and courage were among the founding principles of the Church of the Holy Light. The church traced its origins back more than two thousand years ago, all the way to the chaos of the Troll Wars. A human general, Lordain, selflessly gave his life to hold off an overwhelming force of Amani trolls that threatened to destroy a united human army. One of the people he saved was his sister, a renowned warrior named Mereldar.
When the war ended, Mereldar dedicated her life to caring for humanityâs wounded veterans. It was she who first spoke to other humans about visions of the Light. In her dreams, Mereldar saw five strange forms, not human, thrumming with holy power. They filled her mind with the wisdom of holiness, protection, justice, retribution, and compassion. When she put their wordless teachings into practice, power seemed to flow through her. The patients under her care would see their wounds disappear and their illnesses vanish.
Other humans also reported seeing these visions. Mereldar met with them, and together, they codified the radiant wisdom of this higher power into the written word. From the teachings in these books, a religious movement formed. It was based on the tenet of selflessness, and a belief that the Light dwelled in all things. The movement sparked widespread faith in the Holy Light and became the predominant human religion.
Centuries later, Lordaeronâs leaders codified the different Light-based traditions and belief systems. From these efforts, the Church of the Holy Light came to be. Lordaeron served as the home of this church. It became a popular destination for travelers seeking healing, wisdom, and inner peace.
Humans were not the first race on Azeroth to wield the Holy Light. Yet they had a great affinity to it, likely due to their heritage. Humanity traced its origins to the vrykul, half-giants forged by the mythical keepers. The extraordinary keepers had shaped Azeroth, and some of them had commanded the Holy Light.
The church constructed temples and shrines throughout the far-flung human lands, and it created a hierarchy of religious leaders to oversee its followers. The most important places of worship were located in the verdant Eastweald. Among the oldest and most revered of these holy sites were Lightâs Hope Chapel, Stratholme, Andorhal, and Tyrâs Hand.
Literally have the book right in front of me and can tell you it's lore is vastly different from various points in the first and second games.
...Sorry I can't find it can you quote it again for me
Sure:
[quote]Sacrifice and courage were among the founding principles of the Church of the Holy Light. The church traced its origins back more than two thousand years ago, all the way to the chaos of the Troll Wars. A human general, Lordain, selflessly gave his life to hold off an overwhelming force of Amani trolls that threatened to destroy a united human army. One of the people he saved was his sister, a renowned warrior named Mereldar.
When the war ended, Mereldar dedicated her life to caring for humanityâs wounded veterans. It was she who first spoke to other humans about visions of the Light. In her dreams, Mereldar saw five strange forms, not human, thrumming with holy power. They filled her mind with the wisdom of holiness, protection, justice, retribution, and compassion. When she put their wordless teachings into practice, power seemed to flow through her. The patients under her care would see their wounds disappear and their illnesses vanish.
Other humans also reported seeing these visions. Mereldar met with them, and together, they codified the radiant wisdom of this higher power into the written word. From the teachings in these books, a religious movement formed. It was based on the tenet of selflessness, and a belief that the Light dwelled in all things. The movement sparked widespread faith in the Holy Light and became the predominant human religion.
Centuries later, Lordaeronâs leaders codified the different Light-based traditions and belief systems. From these efforts, the Church of the Holy Light came to be. Lordaeron served as the home of this church. It became a popular destination for travelers seeking healing, wisdom, and inner peace.
Humans were not the first race on Azeroth to wield the Holy Light. Yet they had a great affinity to it, likely due to their heritage. Humanity traced its origins to the vrykul, half-giants forged by the mythical keepers. The extraordinary keepers had shaped Azeroth, and some of them had commanded the Holy Light.
The church constructed temples and shrines throughout the far-flung human lands, and it created a hierarchy of religious leaders to oversee its followers. The most important places of worship were located in the verdant Eastweald. Among the oldest and most revered of these holy sites were Lightâs Hope Chapel, Stratholme, Andorhal, and Tyrâs Hand.
This does in no way contradict what Perroy said, the last three paragraphs however really are in his favour, cool thanks !
I-is Duskwood officially tainted now?
...
Sure:
[quote]Sacrifice and courage were among the founding principles of the Church of the Holy Light. The church traced its origins back more than two thousand years ago, all the way to the chaos of the Troll Wars. A human general, Lordain, selflessly gave his life to hold off an overwhelming force of Amani trolls that threatened to destroy a united human army. One of the people he saved was his sister, a renowned warrior named Mereldar.
When the war ended, Mereldar dedicated her life to caring for humanityâs wounded veterans. It was she who first spoke to other humans about visions of the Light. In her dreams, Mereldar saw five strange forms, not human, thrumming with holy power. They filled her mind with the wisdom of holiness, protection, justice, retribution, and compassion. When she put their wordless teachings into practice, power seemed to flow through her. The patients under her care would see their wounds disappear and their illnesses vanish.
Other humans also reported seeing these visions. Mereldar met with them, and together, they codified the radiant wisdom of this higher power into the written word. From the teachings in these books, a religious movement formed. It was based on the tenet of selflessness, and a belief that the Light dwelled in all things. The movement sparked widespread faith in the Holy Light and became the predominant human religion.
Centuries later, Lordaeronâs leaders codified the different Light-based traditions and belief systems. From these efforts, the Church of the Holy Light came to be. Lordaeron served as the home of this church. It became a popular destination for travelers seeking healing, wisdom, and inner peace.
Humans were not the first race on Azeroth to wield the Holy Light. Yet they had a great affinity to it, likely due to their heritage. Humanity traced its origins to the vrykul, half-giants forged by the mythical keepers. The extraordinary keepers had shaped Azeroth, and some of them had commanded the Holy Light.
The church constructed temples and shrines throughout the far-flung human lands, and it created a hierarchy of religious leaders to oversee its followers. The most important places of worship were located in the verdant Eastweald. Among the oldest and most revered of these holy sites were Lightâs Hope Chapel, Stratholme, Andorhal, and Tyrâs Hand.
This does in no way contradict what Perroy said, the last three paragraphs however really are in his favour, cool thanks !
So you agree with perroy and believe that chronicle doesn't supersede the first two games when it comes to lore? Sure believe what you want then =)
The only angels and hell references are in the RTS games and ARE retconned by this.
I'm afraid this is simply not correct
https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=saint
https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=hell
https://www.wowhead.com/item=143761/blood-soaked-angel-figurine
and so on
There are NPCs that reference God/Hell and even Mecca in-game
https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Seven_Kingdoms
The entire continent would take its name from this city-state. Lordaeron became a mecca for religious travelers and all those who sought inner peace and security.
Presumably Shadowlands as a form of hell? Still there does not exist a hell in-game akin to Christian hell. And also is probably an expression. Either that or blizzard forgot to state the usual "what the fel" which they like to use instead of hell.
You said "all uses of hell" as a word were retconned just a few minutes ago. What's with the sudden change of heart?
Maybe you should study the Chronicles some more
So you agree with perroy and believe that chronicle doesn't supersede the first two games when it comes to lore? Sure believe what you want then =)
At this point you are arguing World of Warcraft isn't canon in the World of Warcraft story. What a strange position to take
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There's also references to 'paradise eternal' and 'the Light's golden halls', by the way. See for example the Crusader Bridenbrad quest from WOTLK.
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Valaar ...wtf Vaxir fck off
Depends who you are o_o
Noone, just following the so funny meme
26/10/2018 15:07Posted by
Perroy The only angels and hell references are in the RTS games and ARE retconned by this.
I'm afraid this is simply not correct
https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=saint
https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=hell
https://www.wowhead.com/item=143761/blood-soaked-angel-figurine
and so on
There are NPCs that reference God/Hell and even Mecca in-game
https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Seven_Kingdoms
The entire continent would take its name from this city-state. Lordaeron became a mecca for religious travelers and all those who sought inner peace and security.
Presumably Shadowlands as a form of hell? Still there does not exist a hell in-game akin to Christian hell. And also is probably an expression. Either that or blizzard forgot to state the usual "what the fel" which they like to use instead of hell.
You said "all uses of hell" as a word were retconned just a few minutes ago. What's with the sudden change of heart?
Maybe you should study the Chronicles some more
So you agree with perroy and believe that chronicle doesn't supersede the first two games when it comes to lore? Sure believe what you want then =)
At this point you are arguing World of Warcraft isn't canon in the World of Warcraft story. What a strange position to take
I'm not actually, I said all uses of hell that people are posting in relation to the Christian hell is probably incorrect. In game there is the Shadowlands, so if someone mentions hell they will more than likely be referring to that. Aside from that it's an expression.
And not really, you are arguing that the first two RTS games are complete canon in lore and that chronicles doesn't seem to hold a candle to it xD
Also there's even a lot of lore in wow itself that chronicle retcons. Even the many books you mentioned. Tribunal of ages for example got retconned in game and said to be that loken messed with its information. There are many instances of this in the books.