So we gutted FDK just to have enh shaman in their place?
Claping in both AOE and ST fight?
Is this balanced?!
Monk class is DOA.
Also lol both DK dps specs are in the dumpster.
Not a good time to play DK or Monk 
warcraftlogscom/zone/statistics/38#
Classes have never been balanced ever
⌠in any modern MMORPG.
I dont understand how hard can it be to tune when you have all these sites that literally collect all the data you need to tweak the numbers.
If you look at wow logs theres a literal gap at some point in the class rankings for the raid.
Thereâs no need for all classes to be balanced, if they were balanced you might as well give every class the exact same spells. Every class and spec needs their strengths and weaknesses respectively
Balance has never and will never exist in an environment where there are different designs for each spec and class. Enha was also already strong before patch. Frost DK is still used in the Raid and is still being used for cutting edge. There are 40 Frost DKs who have killed and logged Ansurek this week (and not every guild logs anyway at this world rank as only 60 Guilds killed her worldwide so the number is likely larger)
Monk is bad yes, but its buff still guarantees it a raid spot (over a mistweaver even)
Because it isnt just a simple âbuff numbersâ. Classes have different toolkits and your approach was used to nerf warriors because Blizzard only saw numbers but didnt realize for what precisely the warriors were used for resulting in nerf after nerf that nobody (even non warriors) understood. They also tried to use it for Holydins and only backed off after getting a poopstorm for it.
Because its the raid design of the bosses. Take Rashanan, ofc the Assa rogue will dominate on boss damage pretty much all the time because the boss literally screams âZoldyckâ. Or Amirdrassil where Sub rogues were completely bonkers because every boss design or dmg requirement ramp favored sub rogues CD design (especially Smolderon).
And some specs are only being used for X in most scenarios. You have an assa rogue? He will do boss damage so naturally assa will be high in boss damage on statistics because they wonât be touching adds (much) while the add destroyers will naturally fall back on single target because they are busy AoEing (AoE also having a limit after which point any potential extra AoE damage becomes worthless because there isnt anything left to AoE. This cant happen with Boss Damage because the encounter ends the moment this would occur, preventing any wasted damage)
So they have to design around the raid and all the raid bosses as well as M+ and its different dungeons where some classes dominate in dungeon X and others in dungeon Y.
In mdi both rogue and fdk goes over enha dmg.
But sure nerf shamans more.
Go to warcraft log and check raid-statistics / all bosses / all percentiles.
For mythic kills we have.
In the last place is the Aug evoker and going up we have Fire mage , Monk, and FDK
For Heroic
Its pretty much the same ranking only the monk is somewhere in the middle of the pack.
Again when FDK and fury they were quickly and heavy nerfed.
Now its silence , like everything is fine even tho we have enh shamans clearlly overperforming.
No disrespect man but , statistics and logged numbers >> forum posts.
Understanding of those figures >>> ignorant rage post.
I have seen them. Wonât change what I said. Both DKs and Monks are being used for Cutting Edge still. Frost DKs more than WW Monks. They arent in the gutter as you claim (WW still deserving a buff hands down. Their raid debuff is their saving grace right now together with mistweaver not being meta). If your GM/RL benched you because youâre a frost DK and it isnt a pure single target boss like Sikran then the issue lies with your GM/RL (actually even for Sikran. Boss is a joke.)
To make matters worse you donât even have access to the full data for Mythic because a plethora of guilds have their logs hidden so you donât know how many specs are presented for the upper bosses (as pointed out in my Frost DK on Ansurek Mythic example)
Nobody gives a poop about heroic logs. Its the same with normal logs. Its ridiculously easy to log in normal and heroic logs in comparison to Mythic. Ignoring tactics on normal/heroic is also extremely common which turns the bosses into target dummies.
They arent on Broodtwister in both overall and boss (boss being dominated by Assa. I already explained why. Assa doesnt look at the adds and at best uses spatter). Kyveza they are beaten by Hunters. Court they lose in both boss damage (even if still good) and overall and are in overall similar to frost DK in terms of the upper dmg done range. Ansurek they are fifth in boss damage and third in overall. Yes they are good, but thats about it. Warrior is even top for Ansurek overall currently.
I will entirely ignore the first four bosses because you can most certainly kill them all with a raid composed of 14 WW monks.
This.
Actually heroic logs are good indicators.
Thatâs where 90% of the player base is located.
All data is data.
The fact you disregard it doesnât invalidate it.
The fact its mirrored on mythic difficulty actually validates my point , which was that class tuning is still needed.
They are not. And most people canât play their spec properly. Lemme give you an example:
These are my Mythic logs. Where I have to compete with people that actually know their class and I have to compete with better players and less players (meaning its harder to get higher % logs)
These are my Heroic logs where I typically eat my lunch during the encounter (and no, this is not an exaggeration). Logs where a lot of more people play. This also includes bad players and a lot of boosted players (way more than Mythic). It is as such way easier to get a higher % log in comparison.
These are normal logs where the number is even higher and look and behold its even easier to get a high % log in comparison to HC and Mythic.
I disregard it because I can read the data. You canât. I also know that every spec has different strengths and weaknesses that either get embraced by the raid (rashanan assa rogues as a prime example again) or hated. However Raids arent the only PvE environment as I said as there is also M+. You cant balance between 8 Mythic encounters and all the M+ dungeons and all their differences.
Might be hard for you to understand the numbers from the logs , but remember you can filter so they show as lines, you might understand them and see the differences.
3/7 for the effort tho.
We can continue this. The statistics arent mirrored for HC and Mythic btw (similar isnt mirrored). Also lets look at M+ where Frost DKs are absolutely dominating with Aug and Enha (that alone is a reason why you wonât receive any noteworthy buff. Or you get an AoE nerf and a ST increase which may in fact decrease your odds for a raid and M+ spot at the same time.
Also lemme use the âjust numberâ logic against you.
This is the 99% percentile for Mythic. So the people that pull the biggest numbers possible (whichs means DPS w⌠in most of the cases but whatever, it serves the purpose here). Frost DK kinda eating good here mate. Not exactly dumpster tier (again, this is your logic of just reading surface data)
Never looked at them and donât actually care. I can tell you look âat the numbersâ and say gieff buff rather than looking at them in context like KretĂas is trying to show you.
WoW has great button mashers but most donât know why they mash the buttons other than x guide says so. Guess who i think you areâŚ
You might want to double check how to look at the data you are trying to use.
First of all taking the overall data from all the bosses does little to give you a clear picture. If you go and search each boss, you will see that certain classes are good in ST and some others really shine in AoE. You see enh damage on top because at the moment while their ST was nerfed from previous patch, their aoe got buffed. So in the current meta, they are kind of jack of all trades but masters of none.
Using just overall statistics from the raid just makes you seem like you do not know what you are talking about.
Where exactly did you see frost being nerfed? It is literally the most played dps in keys above 12 (14% fdk vs 8% enh shamans), and they still pumping on fights like ovinax where they shone before patch.
As for fury warriors they were nerfed because of how good their aoe burst was and how needed they were in the raid. Oh and look at that, Bloodhound, rashanan, ovinax, and queen ansurek, all have fury warriors leading in damage.
Correct, you just did not look at the statistics.
The only statistic that actually shows enh performing on the top, is if you look at m+ overall damage, where they are first with elemental shamans this week. And keep in mind this is the 2nd week of the rework, and first week that we had our bugs fixed, so another tuning pass would not be weird (but do not hold your breath for too much of a swing).
When people say âbalanceâ they really mean âwhy is my prefered class not the top performing classâ
Nobody ever complained about their prefered class being too strong, lol.
Tbf not true 
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When your class is more than 5-10% ahead of everyone else, you kind of want to nerf you abit, and the sooner the better. The sweet spot is your class is in the top 3-5 specs, so that you can dodge most of the nerfs and not worry about the rest of the season.
We rise and fall. Itâll cycle around again eventually. If youâre absolutely hellbent on keeping up on the DPS edge in current content, it helps to learn multiple classes/specs.
Be prepared to swap often though, cos Class Balance is never a true goal for the dev team and youâll be swapping often. The cycle and unevenness is there to keep the game from stagnating!
Classes will never be 100% balanced, but that doesnât mean they should give up on it. If classes are within 5% of each other, itâs achievable and and acceptable.