Retail isnt “balanced”, yet there is a difference between retail and vanilla. Vanilla on its own had the worst PvP balance out of any expansion, now in SoD on top of that we get new abilities (mostly offensive ones) and much more raw dmg due to the way better gear.
You dont have to be a “reail apoligist” to realize that as bad as retail balance might be, compared to SoD its very good.
You can also replace retail with TBC, wotlk, Cata and so on.
I said:
Retail is homogenised, I don’t want that in Classic.
Furthermore, people still class stack in Retail.
It’s not very often I agree with Miylee, but my god, spitting pure facts in this thread.
They only know how to nerf hunter and call it balance so suck it up if you aint a hunter.
Ofc Retail is far better balanced than SoD
SoD is a complete sh1tshow while Retail is a tolerable one. This game was never any good in PvP, and there will always be 2 crowds: the ones who want bursty PvP and the ones who want it being extended. You can never fulfill this playerbase’s desires.
And if you look deeper into the problem, people mostly PvP for 1) rewards or 2) to feel superior. The latter is only for humiliated personas and the former is mostly for minmaxing. As soon as people get their shiny epics from WSG and STV it’ll become a desert with occasional gankers running around in a party killing noobs, thinking they’ve achieved something in life. This story is as old as this world.
But overall I agree with what you said, that’s why I’m not partaking in any kind of PvP, I’ve had enough of it from TbC till MoP.
Retail has seperated pve and pvp balancing entirely.
Retail also touchs classes deeper then runes only.
Retail can be balanced, because it modernised systems to allow for it, WoW classic without those modernisations can never be balance in 3 different game modes simultaniously.
Source on this statement? Vanilla doesn’t even have any mode with ratings so saying it’s unbalanced it’s just a random persons doing solo PVPs opinion who probably just needs to get good. As far as I know though a good BG premade in vanilla tries to get at least one of each class which would imply it’s actually a perfectly balanced game.
Also I can’t speak for WOTLK and onwards but TBC is in no way balanced, nobody even bothers with any kind of solo PVP at all but it’s allegedly “balanced” around arenas but not really.
Hot take - if people actually valued balance - classic wouldn’t be as popular as it is. People are mostly upset the imbalance is not in their favor.
Indeed, why am I wasting my time in arena, if I wanna become good at the game I have to do vanilla bgs, you got me there.
The goal was to make a lot of money with little work and it works. Really, I don’t play that garbage SOD anymore.
Not until the content is optimized on the test servers first. If you don’t want to be spoiled, just don’t look at the new features. It’s all discovered in two days anyway and I say that over 90% of players look on the internet anyway to see where everything is available. I’d rather know what’s coming than play this unbalanced 
. If the servers are not tested it will repeat every phase. No thanks.
They can’t balance it like that but they know wow players are sheeps / metaslaves.
What they did in p2 with Gnom is pretty smart: in p1 physical dps were the meta, sheeps stacking them and exclude most casters. Now they did the opposite, so the Meta excludes melees as they do crap damage and casters get to play and get invites in pugs.
In a perfect world everyone would do around the same damage but the spread in SoD is huge (100% between the top and the last). Forcing players to metaslave. Because their balance passes for DPS seem to be pvp only. See boomies. 1 nerf, and gone. From one day to the other, most owls disapeared online and you suddenly start seeing Shadow Priests everywhere lol
Is this the same rogue who used to tell me (Mage main) to do one when I wanted to join the party as we weren’t meta? Its your time to be rubbish now.
FYI I absolutely refuse all rogue’s into my party now
without healer you worse tier, with healer you are broken above s tier
Best part is that rogues have more CC, stuns and what not so there is no idea to even attempt to sit by your computer but just go afk, get some water grab a snack and by that time the sociopathic player is done with his epic dance of stunlock rotations on you.
I thought that blizzard would kill the meme that rogues could kill someone naked with a spoon but instead they made it a reality.
If you are getting globaled by A rogue that means the rogue pops his cd that have A 5 min cd or use thistle tea. Do you use cds apart from overpower when you are killing a rogue? No, ur sitting there and praying the dumb rogue pops eveasion and then the big overpower button shines up on your screen
After reading the comments in this one I question my existence.
Some people I know to be full-time forum trolls but others…
You are simply confusing the term “balance” with “equality” and write the same thing over and over.
Yes, there will be never “equality” in a video game. Not all classes will deal the exact same number of dps. But if the discrepancy between classes are 2-3 times comparatively, that is not something you can think to be good for an online game.
If you look at warcraftlogs for gnomeregan top 100 dps, there are only 3 classes/specs. Mages, warlocks and melee hunters, with the exception of 3 shadow priests that made it up there. There is not a single druid, rogue, warrior, paladin or shaman in top 100.
That, is not good. And yes, while there will be some classes that will perform better, I would rather have a 5-10% difference between top performers of each spec instead of a 100% difference.
Not sure who you are talking to, I play as a druid during SoD…
Do u think frostmage should be buffed?
Yes, in PvE they should be buffed.
My priority though would be to buff classes with no viable specs first to a point where they can find groups and do respectable damage. Then, we can balance frost mages.
And I, as a mage main that raids as frost in gnomer, will tell you that I think frost is fine as it is despite its “poor” performance on boss fights, and Ill tell you why.
While my ST damage can be low, that boils down to mainly two factors:
Those are both factors outside of my control. And yet, on certain fights im able to complete at the top with the highest dps if there is aoe where my class can shine. I have a different role. Most of the time spent in a raid can be against trash, where my class, regardless of spec, shines.
The next reason is to bring up the importance of utility. In a tight pinch I can save the raid from getting murdered, I can kite with aggro on me, I have slows, roots and great survival tools. This alone justifies the lack of damage. While yes, I output less, chances are Ill be the last guy standing(which I am) on every wipe, and a few times I was close enough to secure a boss kill alone because of it. My increased survival means I will die less, I wont need to be babysitted as much, I can make more mistakes etc.
Now because frost dmg is so bad in PvE, blizzard might introduce deep freeze to make up for the lack of dmg, which will also heavily impact PvP. And I think that deep is completely unnecessary on a classic mage, not even a SoD one. Itll be far too overkill and the class will become ridiculously OP, though it will be more fun for sure. Yet, I am still against It.
On the last boss in gnomer I realized quickly that my role in the fight was killing bombs, CCing them, slowing them, and pressing buttons with my great mobility at the worst or furthest locations. That utility alone let us secure the boss kill, despite me being bottom on the charts. (This was in a blind run, almost none of us knew the tactics)
The point im trying to make is, damage isnt everything. If I have less dmg are my chances of joining a pug raid lesser? Yes, for sure, but thats because of the mentality of players. Thats why you find a guild and make friends that will appreciate you, if you show skill. Its a social game after all. And at the end of the day, the raid gets cleared. I do 5-10-15% less dmg than the guys at the top? Who cares, most of the time that doesnt make much of a difference. The most important thing is that I had fun. On classic classic I was playing the most memer trash specs as a warlock, even raided as heavy destro in MC, I wasnt top dmg, yet I was near there and I broke the stigma behind memer specs, I even tanked MC bosses before p2.
Now if only everyone could have this mindset instead of thinking about MUH DMG, the game would be in a far better state.