Why would it? They tuned warriors separately and it works just fine.
The buff i didnt know we needed Praise be to Blizzard
Cause furry is already at the top and arms is relatively up in PVE scale. Unlike all hunters are down in PVE. So the buff we received is justified though as you can see people in PVP aren’t happy about it.
They tuned arms like that. Stop dodging. The hunter buff is possibly perfectly fine in PvE, either way none of us cares about that, we want it reversed in pvp and not pve because your class is already broken in 2s pvp and has perhaps the best 3s comp as well - jungle.
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Whats worse is they went back after the fact and essentially undid the buff to Kill Command in PVP, but left Cobra Shot, Barbed Shot, Multi and Kill Shot with the 15% buffs.
Which means someone, even after specifically reviewing BM in PVP, said “yeah, these buffs are fine”. It is literally the most broken PVP spec right now.
This is insanity.
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Yes, exactly, it’s so out of touch it’s insane. 2s will be unplayable and only filled with hunter druid and other lesser hunter healer comps, and before someone comes over with “2s balance doesn’t matter”, well 2s is a part of the game, and not only that but it is the most popular form of rated pvp as well, so as long as it is it should receive at least a minimum of paying attention to.
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Right?
We’re not even asking for BM to be nerfed. We’re just asking for the strongest spec not to be buffed…
It’s exhausting having to even argue about such a thing. It should have been immediately apparent to the balance team.
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Come on, I just respecced to arcane and changed covenant last week 
Stats really disprove that, tbh. Even in 2’s, arms are ahead of BM. (+, every healer spec in 2’s is ahead of BM for rep tbh. Showing heals are too strong in 2’s as well, right?)
And what stats are those? If you look at the ladder right now in 2v2 there are 3 hunters in top 10. Exclude healers from those and you will see that 3 out of 5 dps specs are hunters.
The fact that there is even a discussion about this proves just how out of touch blizzard is about pvp and it is no wonder that people are less inclined to pvp.
Not just ‘the very top 5 is x!’ and actual stats.
https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&realm=&rating=2000&ladder=2v2&faction=
Above 2k, or in general https://www.arenamate.net/?region=&realm=&rating=0&ladder=2v2&faction=
Both are about the same %. More arms wars, and heals in general.
Quite a few specs not far behind in % for DPS either.
How many people play the spec is not an accurate representation of how strong it is. Survival hunter is the perfect example of that.
Why there’s %, and not just… how many If you’re implying that the amount will always be inflated by classes played more than others, then hunters would always be top and you could be excusing that from your data pools. Not to mention, likely druids, then mages… etc.
Not sure why you’re complaining, you play 2’s on both arms and on your hunter as surv. Not to mention rogue, and ret. There’s not some oversaturation of BM currently. There is an oversaturation of Orcs on the ladder - but no one seems to like stuff like that being brought up lol.
In BFA Survival had a higher % than BM or Marks for 2’s because it was a stronger spec. The strongest spec of a class will always have higher % above 2.2
Perhaps because warriors don’t really have another spec that is really good, while hunters have all 3 specs viable. In top 500 2s there are currently 34 warriors (all specs, vast majority arms), and 66 hunters (all specs, small majority bm).
As for every healer spec being ahead, it’s a really dumb argument. There are only 6 healer specs in the game, whereas there are 25 dps specs. Almost every 2v2 team (over 90% of them at any rate) consists of a healer and a dps, basically every good comp includes a healer except rogue mage, feral hunter, feral ret and other similar things (which are all extremely underplayed with the exception of mage rogue). Of course the proportion of each healer spec will be higher than of individual dps specs.
That’s not true. In fact, arguably survival is the strongest hunter spec now, it has higher rated people and more at very high ratings, but it’s not the most popular above 2.2k. This happens because the differences in effectiveness are very small between bm and survival, but survival is one of the more skill involving specs, whereas bm is one of the most braindead specs in the game. What follows is that while the very top players would do slightly better with surv, because they typically don’t make many mistakes, when you go a bit lower down the ladder playing bm simply gives an edge because it’s harder to make bad plays with it.
I’d remind you, that in the top 15 for 3’s hunters(Zero of their specs) show up in there. Whereas ARMS warriors are at 9.5%, 2.5% more than Ret which is the 2nd most.
All 3 druid specs show up in that listing, 2 shaman specs even.
Blizzard balances for 3’s, not for 2’s. They haven’t balanced for 2’s in a long time for good reason. Severely broken bracket, always has been.
As for 2’s - hunter only has one spec in the top 15. Arms has 2.4% more than BM - and a lot more than survival or marks.
I’d also remind you, that we’re in 2021 and boosting(hey, BB and other websites are still flourishing.) and tons of ‘Rank 1’ and top end players have tons of alts of the same spec+class just to boost more teams for extra money.
Not really, going by %. It’s not like it’s 3’s, where every single team basically has to have a healer. :3
Tell Blizz to nerf healers, then?
Disproven, sorry. Especially when the same hunters that - btw have been playing surv for quite some while continue to play it. It’s like saying Arcane is in such a great spec - going back - because Abni and other ‘top rankers’ would play it. It’s just statistically false, you’d do the same with PvE logs.
Personally I think it’s vice versa - I think it’s the same with every melee spec in PvP these days. So many gap closers and all that, even self heal, better defensive power than BM or MM. You may be able to try that with PvE but not for PvP.
Doesn’t matter if they don’t show up on /who.
There literally are no people around. You’re lucky if you can find 2-3 people in Oribos.
If you ask in general chat for assistance killing a rare, there’s nobody. At least we don’t get the gold and boost spam in trade, but jeez. Our server is struggling. By each raid tier out, we lose 30%-50% of our active raid guilds.
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I remember ages ago when BM Hunters would just hide in arena and the pet was so overpowered and could do all the work… hmmn was it in Legion? 
The Change 4 Fire Mage is a Joke… we need Kindling back… Damage is undertune…
RIP so far… and very SAD…
Yup…that’s pretty much my PVP tactic.
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