Class Tuning Incoming – 24 January

Wrong. The only buffs here tied to aoe is the Wake of ashes buffs but that is a wake of ashes that is Nerfed thanks to the talent that is getting buffed here Seething flame it is a significant less damage on second target but makes you hit 2 more times with wake of ashes.
Truth’s wake is a dot from Wake of ashes but it is Not tied to the damage Wake of ashes does.

Both Blade of Justice and Final Verdict buffs are pure single target.

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wake of ashes is aoe
truths wake is aoe
blade of justice hits aoe
seething flame still hits aoe

the only that is a pure ST buff is final verdict.

it is still a significant aoe buff.
They could have buffed ST but instead they target abilities that are also doing aoe dmg.

auto attacks, crusader strike and FV or even execution sentence could have received those buffs if you don’t want to buff aoe.

Ok, broken specs lover

In world of warcraft

False Blade of Vengance is Aoe the damage it does has Zero to do with what damage Blade of Justice is doing.

Talent
Requires Paladin
Blade of Justice now hits nearby enemies for (93.6309% of Attack power) Holy damage.
Deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

This is the tooltip for the ability you think is tied to the damage Blade of justice are doing notice how there is zero hooks to blade of justice here.
Blade of justice causes an attack called blade of Vengance it is not Blade of Justice doing aoe.

True

Is a Dot that Wake of ashes does Tooltip: Wake of Ashes also causes targets to burn for an additional (127.5% of Attack power) Radiant damage over 9 sec.
As you can see nothing tied in to what Wake of ashes damage is doing.

Yes but this is the tooltip: Wake of Ashes deals significantly reduced damage to secondary targets, but now causes you to lash out 2 extra times for (147.9% of Attack power) Radiant damage.

The tooltip of wake of ashes: Lash out at your enemies, dealing (292.6% of Attack power) Radiant damage to all enemies within 14 yds in front of you.
Seething flame is half the damage of wake of ashes and it comes at a cost to aoe damage to use this talent.

Overall the buffs are around 5% buff single target (in full BiS gear and single target talents) and around a 2-3% buff in aoe, (in full BiS gear and aoe talents)

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Maths shows it more like 6 /7% increase not 5.

My numbers is directly taken from Paladin discord and the theory crafters there.
you can go look for it yourself.

My own math on my own damage on a pug fyrakk tells me around 5% is accurate (though my math is not the best)

So where do you have your math from?

well on the dmg meter it only appears on blade of justice not as blade of vengance. Whether it is separated i don’t know by this.

but truth wake the dot itself that also is applied to all targets hit by wake of ashes is also buffed?
so not only the initial hit of wake of ashes does more dmg, but the dot it applied on each target also got buffed.

saying the difference between ST and aoe dmg is buff is 2% and then calling it a pure ST buff… ok…

It is separate.

Truth wake is not buffed by the damage Wake of ashes is doing so to keep the relative damage similar you need to buff each part at the same time truths wake is a separate thing to wake of ashes if they just buffed wake of ashes that would have zero increase to the damage Truths wake would do.

Literally not what i said.

As you can see here in the very first thing i did say Wake of ashes and the parts connected to wake of ashes do aoe damage.

This is the part where i said pure single target i was referring to BLADE OF JUSTICE and FINAL VERDICT here both are single target attacks so buffing them will only affect single target damage.

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Is that all you really have to say Falserando?

Where are the nerfs for Augmentation, DH, Mage and Rogue?

There are no adjustment downward here, what the heck are you looking at to base these changes??

That’s a joke right? It will barely put us on par with Fury…

not shocked at all whit the tuning for DK that is quite the normal thing for blizztard to do,
and that armor nerf for pvp hits harder on the DK than war and paladin absolute clown foolery Blizztard,
i agree whit the pvp nerf to unholy dk’s festering wound damage but what they should have done here is just nuke it down to 0% scaling and just put this damage in to dots and minions so we have more average pressure and not a 40% damage delete button whit apoc,
again Blizztard living up to the way they treat DK’s whit their malicious intention.

devs are utterly clueless :frowning:

The only negative thing here is to see weird balancing every patches. Most of the recent changes doesn’t make real sense when you look at the stats available.

Seeing no downgrade at all is even worse, some classes really need to be tuned down a bit (not asking to take the nerf hammer).

Here is my feedback:

While all the changes are appreciated to put Rshaman in line with other healers, I feel that you did not address the core issue with RShaman DPS.

Healer DPS in the case of RShaman has 1 and only 1 problem: You cant heal AND dps at the same time. And acid rain wont cut it.

And IF we dont have to heal, damage is in line with DPriest and MW monk. The issue is that it never happens that we dont have to heal. And other healers can heal and DD at the same time, we cant. And that is why its so “low” in the logs.

What I would do is revert both buffs to Lava Burst and Lightning Bolt. And instead, make Stormkeeper instant cast. And take Lava Surge proc casts out of the GCD.

Thats what I would do.

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Thats not an “issue or problem”. It’s a point of difference and mw / disc are the outliers here.

This is so true

Nice nice buff but i wanna ask something.
Do u guys rly think this solves the problem?
The problem → We (dk-s) can get an invite to m+ keys most of the times we waiting hours to get in a key cus we get cancelled almost evry single time.
So DO U RLY THINK this solving the problem?

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Why do we need nerfs in the first place??? :face_with_raised_eyebrow: don’t you like timing keys? If you keep nerfing the highest and slightly buffing the lowest we’re not going anywhere.

I need to come and rub your paladins for luck!!!