You know mm and bm sims about the same on single target after this change, right?
Oh yeah, simming it every hour, like my second job.
How about you send some evidence of your sims? And even then it will be incorrect until we get changes implemented live.
Just go to the hunter discord.
Azortharion the guy that writes the icyveins/wowhead guides for hunters, and is one of the best theorycrafters on hunter is the one that is saying these things and have run sims to confirm it.
We are actually a little bit behind mm if you take away PI if you want to be specific.
Until the changes come alive, this is all speculation at best. I saw enough times when anticipation of changes, included those made by Azortharion, didn’t meet the reality (both in positive and negative ways) to be skeptical of the predictions you mention.
Also by weak ST damage I didn’t just mean the case when we go full ST spec for a boss, but when we do a single target damage with our m+ talents (on Tyrannical). This is where our ST target damage is just pathetically weak.
If by hunter discord, you mean Trueshot Lodge, it is (at least MM section) just a messy wall of unorganized text with a couple of arrogant regulars giving newcomers “pieces of advice” in a style “go play another class / spec” / " this class is unviable" etc. I was there for several months and didn’t get a single useful piece of advice, all I saw was some vanity and negativity threads.
Im talking about the faq section of bm hunter on trueshot lodge where he has a very structured post about this. And sure, your st sucks in m+ build, but i would rather offer my bm st for 35% more AoE than have good st with awful aoe. At least you have the possibility to choose if you want the one or the other, something bm cant.
Thank you!
make Bm scale with haste
doom bm to be bad because if he is good and he scales well with haste he is op with PI
NERF HIM TO THE GROUND
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Blizzard ! I know UDK dps is strong at this moment, but you kill the spec right now ! These are top damaging abilities and the nerf is too big !
Just listen to him on this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBafzu90NEE
MM is 35% higher on aoe and without pi samish even better them BM now with this 5% st nerf. MM can just farm 1 type of gear for both best st and aoe while bm also needs different stats prio in both cases. I think most BM hunters just went pure ST stat wise and that also hurt aoe even more.
I myself can’t be bothered doing m+ this s I just gave up and no I don’t wanna get even more gear to be able to go mm for m+ 
but now they even took away our only strength. They did say it should be neutral for ST but nope they just made the nerf half what it was.
Azortharion is a well respected player/simmer who knows his stuff. Been this way for years so I trust him if he says it still a nerf. I mean 35% behind on aoe come on that is more then a little behind that’s a complete disaster. (was even like 70-75% 
). It aint fun if you do a explosive shot on BM and the MM hunt does like 5-6x more dmg with the same skill that’s just dumb. Yeah I know different spec but 5-6x come on.
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I am happy that you at least listen to hunter’s and holy paladin’s feedback, how about you start listening to the feedback of protection paladins?
Our extremely poor mitigation and squishness makes healers hate us, group leaders reject us. I (and probably many other paladins too) have to stack haste in ludicrous amount and give 100% of my focus and mental strength to keep all of my defensives up and I am still weaker than a warrior with just shield block active.
Yet instead of correcting our mangled mitigation, you buff our 2 trash talents no paladins uses and, buff our damage (which is nice but does not solve core issue) increase our self sustain with WoG, which not only does not address core issue (MITIGATION) but also goes against your OWN policy, when you claimed in TWW pre patch that you want tanks to be more stable but more reliant on healers, yet you do the exact opposite!
Can you be at least consistent in your actions, dear Blizzard? and can you open your eyes wider and look beyond top prot paladin performers, who are able to overcome paladin’s squishiness with professional team coordination, which is non existent in more casual groups, let alone pugs!
When are you planning to delete BM Hunter from the game?
I think you should just delete Slayer, would be a bit more work than doing what it is that you are doing right now, but at least that would be honest work…
Woohoo! That will keep us alive for sure!
Please, give Holy and Discipline priests access to silence/interupt!
Make it basekit, add it as a choice node next to Shackle Undead or Make either Shackle Undead or Mind controll basekit and put it there, anything!
Whilst I don’t agree with how some of the nerds on here have worded this, I do agree that BM Hunter needed a little more love. However, let’s see how it plays out because I know that a lot of this will be cantered around the Dark Ranger changes which do look awesome.
Take Frost DK/Retri Pala M+ DPS and give it to BM Hunter.
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