Not even remotely.
According to raider IO, for 15+ mythic keystone runs disc priest and fistweaver monk has 79.5% representation.
Seems like they think about it quite enough. 
To be honest, I dont know. I havent had the chance to loot a single piece of tier, or, loot Hero gear to transform to tier.
So I am still running with the S1 tier set. When I get the S2 tier set I will let you know. 
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I pug a lot, hence I focus more on my healing talents. Got KSM this morning, will now re-watch Quazii’s dungeon vids and focus more on little details for improving and being able to progress to +9/10s.
I will wait with using my KSM catalyst charge for next week’s vault. No need to get 3 tier pieces, just want to avoid using its charge on an item that is also waiting in my vault
nope .it is gift to restore shamans 
Good point. The early season gearing process is a theorycraft on its own right.
I personally dont wait that long to use the catalyst. I normally use it on Hero pieces. That is good enough.
If by chance I do get a Myth track gear piece I can always juggle the tier pieces around or save it for later use.
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rest in peace 
Yeah I also use it on Hero Equipment, so it depends if I get more Hero Pieces, but I meant more if I use it on e.g. my chest and I only get a chest piece in Vault…I need to wait another week
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Prot warriors have a shout that interrupts and taunts for 6 seconds. That alone is arguably better than those 3 sigils.
What are we smoking when we’re saying prot warrior utility is better than vdh utility? Silence is an objectively better version of interrupting shout and doesn’t contest with a single other useful talent on your tree. The way threat works in this game immolation aura is borderline an aoe taunt already unless your dps players are awful.
The entire point of SILENCE sigil is that it silences, INTERRUPTING shout interrupts.
Like… Season 1? With the exception of maybe the Aug. No one was playing VDH last season.
I meant that every single season these specs have been in they have been represented in 90% of keys, we’re currently 4(?) weeks into this season and VDH are represented in 87% of the top 5000 keys.
Every single season Aug has existed in they’ve been a MUST BRING to every single push key
It’s quite literally unplayable rn.
Yes, and until more than 1 “support” spec exists in the game they will be either 100% MUST HAVE for pushing or completely useless. Just like VDH if they’re tuned even remotely close to other tanks they are the most dominant tank by far and not even close.
I wrote it in a confusing way but I meant that we’ve never had a season where either of these 2 specs aren’t absolute god tier, not that they’ve both always been the best spec in the game. Or well, aug was until this patch so 90% of its lifespan is aug forcing its way into every key
Because people blindly follow the meta, it’s a huge dps loss, but if you do play with good players only then aug was -really- good.
The average pug however… ?
Ehh-…
At no point was I claiming that warrior has better utility. But post was claiming warrior had none. That’s not correct.
2 seconds of Silence vs 6 seconds of Interrupt. Yeah, the silence isn’t objectively better.
Lol, if you think that immolation aura generates the same threat as an AOE taunt, then enjoy “timing” your heroic dungeons.
And water is wet. Thanks for the info.
I know what you have meant and you are objectively wrong.
That’s not very difficult when the spec has existed only for 4 seasons.
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Lol, if you think that immolation aura generates the same threat as an AOE taunt, then enjoy “timing” your heroic dungeons.
My brother in christ you are 1300 rio, why do you think you’re fit to have an opinion on this? I have 2 0.1% titles from DF, one of them being on VDH where it was functionally identical to how it works now. Immolation aura gives you baseline threat as opposed to revenge which must be turned specifically towards what you’re grouping, or thunderclap which has a 6s cd. Do you understand my point?
The first BL pull of floodgate looks INSANELY different between VDH and any other tankspec
2 seconds of Silence vs 6 seconds of Interrupt. Yeah, the silence isn’t objectively better.
I’m not sure where you heard that silence sigil lasts 2 seconds, it lasts 4 seconds baseline and then +2 seconds for 6s duration with the Chains of Anger talent that 100% of people take. Or 10s if you’re playing with an evoker roar.
So yes, not only is the silence objectively better because it’s a BLANKET SILENCE, but also interrupting shout requires mobs to be already casting, do you understand why that makes a difference? There are exactly 2 dungeons (2 packs of mobs) in this entire dungeon pool where warriors even consider taking interrupt shout and it’s for the full first room in mechagon to kick selfdestructs, and in rookery for the caster packs.
Vdh however can silence any pack of caster mobs in the entire game and have them follow the vdh into a neat little pile, something that doesn’t happen remotely similarly with a warrior
Maybe because I have a max level DH I am doing up to +10 with, every season. Okay, not higher than that, that’s enough for me.
Okay, show me a video where you can hold threat on a +12, DPS pulling 7m DPS and you are not using Spirit Bomb, Soul Cleave, Sigils, Fel Devastation or Fel Spike talents.
I am willing to pay gold to see that, name your price.
I will take your word for that. I never had problem with any of my tanks there. But you are probably playing higher keys than me.
Guess that happens quite often with caster mobs, don’t you think so?
I just double checked, you are right, it is 3 seconds baseline with plus 2 from the Talent. I do still think Disrupting Shout is competitive to Sigil of Silence.
for aveage pug augs were beyond maazing because they immensly helped tanks and healers.
sure keys might have been untimed - but it wasnt a wipefest because tank couldnt stay alive or healer just couldnt keep up with dmg.
No, not really, it was always overblown how strong they were in low keys, only in high ones did they really matter.
Its the only thing I disagree with in your post.
This has never happened with any other new classes/specs that were added. Not to the degree of Aug.
Aug is an outlier in every shape or form.
Of course, it’s an outlier role. There were no other like it.
I can’t tell if you’re being obtuse on purpose
Maybe because I have a max level DH I am doing up to +10 with, every season. Okay, not higher than that, that’s enough for me.
You do understand that +16’s have almost 3x the hp of 10’s right? These are not the same game, but even then this is completely irrelevant because you’re just objectively wrong
Okay, show me a video where you can hold threat on a +12, DPS pulling 7m DPS and you are not using Spirit Bomb, Soul Cleave, Sigils, Fel Devastation or Fel Spike talents.
Did you read a single word I wrote? It’s right there and replied to it. I specifically mentioned BASELINE THREAT and you somehow interpret it as just standing afk in a pack with immolation aura on. Gathering up any pack is completely different between tanks because VDH is the only tank that can effectively bodypull when stacking packs without losing threat to random heals/dps
Guess that happens quite often with caster mobs, don’t you think so?
Again, you have what I wrote right there but you don’t understand how m+ works but you’re still extremely vocal about it, for what reason? I specifically wrote out the EXACT two packs in this entire dungeon rotation where interrupting shout is EQUAL TO OR WORSE than VDH Silence.
The reason it doesn’t matter for other packs with DIFFERENT CASTERS is that they cast at different times, interrupting shouting them does absolutely nothing because different casters cast different spells at different time.
I just double checked, you are right, it is 3 seconds baseline with plus 2 from the Talent. I do still think Disrupting Shout is competitive to Sigil of Silence.
You didn’t doublecheck, you googled sigil of silence and clicked the 7.0.0 version of the spell. If you go ingame on your supposed vdh and hover over the talent in your tree you’ll see that it says 4 seconds without Chains of anger and 6 seconds with it.
I don’t understand why you’re so deadset on being right about something you don’t understand, there is no situation at all in the game where disrupting shout is better than sigil, in fact it’s unusable in 99% of situations where Sigil is usable because it’s an interrupt and not a silence, aka it doesn’t stack. I don’t know how else I can explain this to you
This entire conversation is also just assuming that Sigil of silence and Disrupting shout were of equal talent value on your tree. There is absolutely nothing better in the entire game that you’d rather put a point in than Silence Sigil as a VDH. Prot warriors however have to choose to give up 5% overall by trading show of force for it, or they have to give up the choice between Battering Ram and Indomitable.
Wha… +16 has +77% additional hp compared to a +10, is it equivalent to +200% of additional hp? Where do you get your numbers from?
You specifically said it’s similar to an AoE taunt
Again, never had any problem getting aggro with any tanks while running.
I can time 10s on any of my characters, but I don’t know how M+ works, huh. You are drawing the most interesting conclusions here.
Mobs that don’t chain cast are not caster mobs.
Actually, I just checked WoWHead, because I am at work. Is it outdated? Then shame on me, you win again.
This is factually incorrect. Don’t pull random numbers out of your rear, people will stop believing that you are a skilled player.
No it doesn’t. The point of the conversation was to make you understand that warrior doesn’t have “zero utility”, as you claimed. Prot warriors are doing fine. Regardless of their representation on the highest of keys.
I dont care what where the reasons.
Any spec that has that degree of dominance in the meta deservers a hard reset. Just bin the spec and re-think it from scratch.
And if Dpriest turns ot to be meta for the 3rs season in a row then it too deserves a hard reset.
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