ah yes true, my bad expecting every spec in the game to be decently balanced and working correctly ups
ret st in m+ is more than decent but keep watching raid logs expecting they speak the only truth and buffing augmentation every small hotfix will allow it to be something playable again and augmentation is litterally the spec which broke the game 
If AoE is over the board then rets gets nerfed in M+. Basically everyone has a ret alt and that inflates the numbers. Same goes for BM. They are the most played specs/classes. It wont change their current spot of being very good but not meta in M+ really.
I am aware of its history. I still dont expect the nerf to be big enough given how horrendous they are currently. At best it doesnt justify an instant kick from the group.
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So assuming the numbers this 1 guy on the discord are correct, Pala got almost 6% buff from just buffing 3 abilities and Havoc got 4% from buffing the whole spell list.
Seems legit yeah, no favoritism whatsoever, Retri definitely needed those buffs, being 2.5 times more popular in high keys was not enough, let’s make it 3 times. /s
And this is without real calculations, let these theorycrafters figure out a new build and we’ll be back to normal (pala being meta oh no what a surprise)
Is this a joke Blizzard?? Fury warr need more than that “buff” expect in m+… I really start hate this game, i just want to play a spec which i like in high keys…
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Its an intended ST buff in case you still haven’t understood. Speccing into BoV will result in a removal of the 10% DS buff as well as the 3% dmg taken increase from expurgation. If its a buff for AoE then its going to be very low at a cost of boss damage.
Pala hasnt been meta in S1 (they dropped heavily in high keys). Their high player count is also explained by everyone and their grandma having a paladin alt or hunter alt and them being faceroll in keys.
As for the favourtism: Get in line with Warrior, windwalkers, devastation, outlaw and sub. Not to mention the non existent Shadow Priests.
Also you will never have perfect balance. Especially in a 5man group where everyone is trying to fish for specific group buffs.
The people that can really crawl up the walls are Holy Priests because Blizzard doesnt understand that they don’t care about the number outpout.
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Its getting obvious… REALLY obvious…
The 5 meta specs. NOTHING… Because the MDI is running… how suspicious.
PATHETIC. The MDI operates in their own servers!!! GEEZ… it dosent need to affect them in any way.
dh +4% flat dmg increase, arms +20% execution but also nerf on Show No Mercy and not much change otherwise for pvp, all else have little or no impact. Not much butter on this bread 
Demon Hunter tank is meta atm for high keys, which usually means the class is OP or pretty balanced. That’s why it doesnt get as many buffs. Pretty obvious really.
Ret has pretty bad single target in raids, whereas in m+ is usually pretty good (depending on the fight), hence the single target buffs.
But as usual people complain their class didnt get buffs and others did. Nothing different there, happens with every game, not just WoW.
I think it’s you who haven’t understood, 2 out of those 3 abilities are AoE, in fact the 2 AoE abilities got 80% and 50% buffs while the only ST one got a 10%.
Pala has been meta in one form or another since their rework in Dragonflight, either a tank, heal or DPS. Do I have to remind you the infamous Exodia comp?
And speaking about TWW specifically, they were the only tank getting invites in high keys throughout the entirety S1.
This is a very specific issue in mid keys where packs live 40-50 seconds and they can’t use their cooldowns twice, but above and below that they perform excellent.
Half of those are already fine, Deva is good, Outlaw and Sub bugs were fixed recently.
Yeah specific group buffs which guess what, got nerfed for DH from 5% to 3% because fk the class. A class with no Bloodlust, Combat Res and the most useless garbage immunity in the game.
But yeah let’s keep buffing Paladins who have it all bcoz why not.
Being a Priest sucks in general, I think we can agree on that.
Sorry but this argument is stupid, Vengeance being meta has nothing to do with Havoc’s performance, they have totally different abilities (in favor of Veng).
And like I explained, the buffs aren’t for ST they are for BOTH and more specifically for AoE.
Where buff for Surv Hunter? Just delete this spec
Except its been explained already that they arent for aoe, and are single target buffs. Blade of Justice is single target this season as Holy Flames is a straight up better pick. Others have already explained this to you, but you’re just being ignorant.
Now do a trinket tuning also. you need to buff trinket with a damage proc. they can’t compeat against stats what so ever =/
We’re moving more and more towards turning Augmentation into a typical boring dps. yay!
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Where is Shadow? Sigh
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What about pres Evoker?
I get buff for arms, bigger when buffed 
The BoJ buff is also intended for ST. I even explained this to you. Blade of Vengeance is required for the extra hit which will then remove the expurgation damage taken by player debuff.
You are assuming its buffing the expurgation dot as well and that it scales off the expurgation hit. This isnt necessarily the case since its scaling off your strength. They usually word it like this if they also intend to affect it.
Divine Arbiter AoE buff is so minuscule that this is literally trying to fish for flies just so you can complain. It also isnt being picked currently for M+.
Well in that case rejoice because your class is also among the metas. Embrace Tank DH the Meta Tank given form.
Its not how this works. You can pull that argument when you’re a pure DPS class since then its expected of you to swap between specs (mages, warlocks, hunters, rogues.)
I am aware. So? Tank =/= DPS.
It was a case the higher the key went and not just in the mid key range.
Not based on pick numbers. Also the flurry cleave you are referring to is going to be like 10% for Outlaw (off their bugged damage). Sub I cba finding numbers right now but I sincerely doubt it will be able to compete with Assa.
Vengeance being the meta pick right now is one of the reasons why Havoc picks are low in comparison because people can’t stack buffs. Combat res is also being brought by a lot of other specs.
They are a reason why you’re less likely to get picked however. You can see it the further you go up the levels. The more its likely for a Vengeance to be tanking the key level range the less likely it is for a havoc to be in said key range.
My final statement is that, ignoring the initial assumption on the discord, that the buff is at around 5.9%ish based on my own sim (and that is assuming I didnt made a mistake myself there by assuming its a flat buff based on our current damage instead of a aura adjustment). In Single Target, which was non existent prior. It will not shift anything for AoE.
Edit 2: They assume 6% ST. So it wasnt an aura buff. But before you’re yapping again: It is aimed at SINGLE TARGET. The reason why Havoc isnt being picked at higher levels is because Vengeance is already present. And the reason why YOU in particular are not being picked is because of your rating and gear as well as you having to compete with 239048290482349028340 different DPS applying to the key at the same time as well just like every season if you play as dps (even rets can take a while to get into keys or get declined believe it or not).
Same old story…Blizzard keeps playing with numbers but never actually fixes the underlying issues. Another round of increase healing or boost damage but no real solutions. Unholy just got slapped in the face so that specc is dead (who thought that was a good idea?)
holy priest still completely ignored. The same old changes with no real effort to address the core problems. they’re just poking at the surface without diving into anything substantial.
I’m just here munching popcorn. It’s honestly hilarious at this point. I’ll be over here enjoying the fall!
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Demo is still waiting for the buffs that were pulled back from the last pvp tuning, still waiting those warlock buffs in general 
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