Something we can all agree on is that itemisation in original classic isn’t the best.
This includes weird weapon speeds that won’t affect classes that have normalised attacks(such as warrior), but will affect classes that don’t have normalised attacks(such as enhance shaman).
We’ve already seen the SoD dev team address this issue with the epic offhand fist weapon from ST and it was a brilliant move.
My point is that I hope the dev team continue with this moving into P4 and onwards. More choice of weapons is always better and opens up the opportunity for sidegrades and alternatives rather than always focusing on getting the absolute bis. We’ve all come to know that rng isn’t always on our side when it comes to wanting a specific item and this change would help with that.
I think all one handed weapons outside daggers and tanking weapons should be slow, 2.6 seconds or higher as a baseline.
What do you think?
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You mean make SoD which everyone is calling retail classic more retail by making all the weapons exactly the same but with different secondary stats?
What happens when a rogue who wants a fast sword/mace/fist for offhand for energy procs and poison procs?
Totally agree. Unless they fix the weapon speeds. DW Enhance shamans will be running around with 2 ravenspikes (lvl 53 axe from rareboss drop in lbrs)…
Dropping Ironfoe to 2.7 speed. And making other BS weapons etc slower speeds will actually make them usable. It’s a shame to update the itemization on all the gear only to overlook shamans.
Worst case scenario, you do nothing and they’ll be they “haves” of shamans who managed to get Deathbringer. and “have nots” of everyone else unable to compete at all!
Dude. There is already loads of FAST daggers (1.4 speed or below). Please compare the daggers or below speed of 1.4 to Axes/Maces/Fist and of 2.6 or higher.
If you take a look on the Wowhead database you’ll see… 23 DAGGERS vs 2 MACES/AXES/FISTS. The criteria of which was: Rare, ilvl 55+, non-mainhand, not pvp. Obviously I’m excluding that for rank14 items etc
Again. We’re not saying they should focus on us or any single class! Just that a simple change on weapon speed for a couple of items (that will make no difference to anyone else!) during the itemization changes won’t exclude an entire class spec.
last time they messed up. And so every enhance shaman was after 1 rare axe in ST and every other weapon was obsolute. They ended up changing the itemization. But frankly it was too little too late. They have already clearly been looking into this for Retri paladins. So why not us?!
This is what I’m talking about. More options is better for everyone as it means less competition. Forget about comparing it to retail. This isn’t classic and it isn’t retail either. A good thing is a good thing regardless what version of wow it comes from.
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Haven’t they literally made a double fist weapon / neck set that uses all slow items.
Isn’t there a super slow mace from kazzak 2.80. Isn’t there death bringer from ony (that regardless of being tuned for 40 will very VERY likely be able to be smashed with way less) 2.90 and it’s not unique?
Probably be some insanely easy to get weapon from stv event as well.
What are you guys on about
Enhance shaman are needy af
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That’s a mainhand only on demolisher, you need the same speeds for offhand and mainhand. and yes DB but it’s still the point that making enhance only viable to 1 weapon. Dude before you try to criticise learn to actually understand.
Looking at your logs you didn’t even clear ST… So clearly your clueless.
I dont think a level 40 char should have cleared ST, I dont think Mugotea is still maining that rogue
It’s still a weird take. Why have warriors, enhance and melee hunters fighting over deathbringer when you can give them more options? It’s obvious what’s better.
Imagine criticising my response about weapons for level 60 based on whether or not I’ve cleared ST.
You can still get 2 X DB and the 2 fist weapons from MC that are clearly designed for you. But no apparently blizzard needs to go and change every other weapon in the game just for you enhancement shamans.
What a pointless post this is.
Imagine going out of your way as a developer to make a new set basically entirely tailored to enhancement shamans. And giving them access to DB which is INSANE for this phase for you to complain about itemisation and then call me clueless.
We’re not talking about making new weapons just for us, but rather changing the speed of existing weapons that have an awkward speed and won’t get used otherwise.
This would mean less competition for bis weapons and more variety in terms of choice.
That was just in response to Thunder saying that the guy havent even cleared ST and that he must be clueless because of that, and warriors do want one slow weapon and a fast weapon in the OH unless things are different now than they were in original classic, so warriors at least wanted the exact same thing as rogues, and fighting over weapons is something we should be used to by now.
But we can avoid that entirely or at least make it less of a problem.
I have mitigated it completely for myself by going tank xD And im actually not on ether side here I just saw a bad argument to not hear a guy out from that Thunder guy and wanted to tell him of for arguing that just because a level 40 havent cleared a level 50 raid the person is clueless, as long as not everything with a odd attack speed gets changed to fit in with 2.6 and up then im happy (and daggers dont count for this argument) as sometimes its good to have a really fast sword for rage generation as a tank for example.
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Right and I’m saying making all mace/sword/fist weapons 2.6 or slower griefs rogues who are playing saber slash because you want the fastest offhand possible.
Also you’re asking for side grades just build a slightly faster weapon combo? Like ironfoe & bonechill hammer. 2 X 2.4speeds? Even 2 X bonechill hammers till you get something.
Also has the Devs even released the updated loot yet? The stuff they said “we are updating all the instance loot for p4” stuff?
Sorry dudes didn’t mean to get hostile just read this and was immediately thought what is this mad mentality. Having all non dagger nontank weapons 2.6 or slower is not the answer.
You know what could be an answer. Making crafting have more impact on the game. Like. You just won a weirdly speed itemised axe. Take it to a blacksmith and they use some “season of depression weight stone” to permanently alter the speed to a 2.9 speed so all you enhance shamans are as happy as can be
Something like that could work. Maybe adjust all weapons except swords, daggers and any tanking weapons? Idk. I don’t want this to take away from other classes and specs but rather help every melee class, not just enhance.