Well, they could do that in case they want shareholders to believe retail has more profits that it actually have by pretending part of Classic profits belong to Retail but that could qualify as fraud. I don’t believe Blizzard is given to their shareholders false reports to falsefy retail profitability.
They didnt have all the code for classic but they have all the code for tbc they even said it in a interview back when classic was comming out. And seeing as they already have done the hard part of porting the base old code into a later client there cant have been to much development having to be done as they have the tools needed.
yÝou are missing how a mmo works again now retail have patches and those cost money to develop every new encounter costs money to make every new asset costs money to make. I pay my sub for classic if the subs were split in 2 I would not pay for retail and I wouldnt have even tried out shadowlands.
Seeing as you actually pay a sub and they didnt make it out as a diference in the earnings call there is a risk that blizz only sees it as one product “the wow product”.
There is no actuall proff that dual spec would in any way shape or form make the game better exept for when it comes to a small amount of pvpers.
Nothing wrong here
That was a bug fix and you can look it up not a change.
A perfect fix to a problem they made them self.
Well they fixed something they impemented them self there.
The best changes they made.
Made Hunters usable so a good fix
Didnt do much against bots though.
Its our (the players) own fault that the world buff meta exists to begin with.
I would have welcomed a change to that.
An integral part of how the game worked in vanilla.
A problem they tried to fix somewhat.
The thing they should have done was to have the actuall original one in the game.
So you are talking about buffing ally? Ally already have a hughe advantage in raids in vanilla seeing as paladins can help warriors actually not pull threat.
Non of the changes they made are as extrem as pulling in a system from a later expansion though.
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It wouldnt be false it would just be them bolstering the numbers by going “we dont actually know how many play each game so its one product you pay for look how great WoWs proffits are this quarter plz dont fier me from being ceo of blizz I need to buy another 4 mansions”
Well, it still seems a fraud to me. Of course, when someone commits fraud it will have a false excuse to pretend his fraudulent report is legitimate, but it is still fraud. The thing is if shareholders would buy that excuse, given that Blizzard seems to reports to shareholders how much time Blizzard’s players stay playing into their games it seems hard to believe that they can give a report of playing hours stadistics that is not capable to differenciate Classic and Retail.
If it internaly is seen as one product its not fraud at all though.
They most likley could do that but only if they had for example with a split sub. For Blizzard its better to just keep them as one product and keep earning the money than it is to split them into 2 and maybe risk that the shareholders think that closing down development on retail is a good idea becouse lets say 60% of all players or something redicouls like that are just playing classic, as long as classic is a “free” addon to generate consumer goodwill it wont be shut down atleast and i dont say “free” for us but almost free for blizzard they have all the code from tbc already it might take a litle work to get it running but not as much as getting any given retail expansion out the door.
Even if is just internally is still fraud, because their deceiving their shareholders, shareholders could argue that they have been deceived by developers arguing that by not expecting the data they have been invested in a product with less profitability than reported.
The subs are not relevant given that Blizzard seems to report is total time played per month amonth all users. No one will believe that Blizzard can not separate that metric between versions.
The thing is that Blizzard ultimately responds to shareholders, Blizzard’s CEO work consists in maximizing Blizzard’s profit for shareholders, so in essence, lying to the shareholders is not the best thing they can do.
Its not fraud if it is just “one” product atleast not here in sweden. Dont know how it is in the us for example but I think they have even more ways to make it not fraud in the us.
Like I have said Im with you about them being able to I just dont think they have a need to.
Absolutly but I think they get the most proffits from having them as the same thing no need to give difrent metrics becouse the shareholders wont care any development now could be used when people become nostalgic for shadowlands in 15 years or so. But I think they will reinvest what ever proffits they have that they are willing to reinvest in where they have the highest earnings per person playing it instead of into classic where they earn basicly nothing more than the sub fee
So you could say (iirc) that we don’t pay for Classic, but pay for Retail and get Classic for free? And then some other people could add “the revenue from subs, is not enough to maintain the Classic servers, so micro-transactions are perfectly fine”?
Of course they should separate the two games. We would finally know, who “carries” whom. I would pay more, if that was the case.
Did Classic “development” cost anywhere near the cost of WoW when it launched in 2005? I mean the total cost. With promotion and others. If I remember correctly, it was around 200 millions.
How many people played WoW at release and how many at Classic release?
I don’t believe, that companies don’t fund their products by taking revenue from their other products.
Are you against separating the fees? If so, why?
Of course the game doesn’t need rebuilt from the ground up but there has been alot of reverse engineering done to the legion client only blizzard knows the value of that they had to pay they had to advertise make promotional videos for wow classic too add the cost of inflation and higher wages it may well have cost as much and they don’t make any money from a base game to pay for it it comes out the subscription cost.
Look at my first post I’ve said my reasons
Just because they had some code they still have to implement it to the legion client they have to strip back the content for phases and the number of changes they made to the game even look from the beta the amount of things they changed like unit pathing in slave pens you think all that is free they put alot of man hours into it.
Your paying for the privilege to play on blizzard servers where is your proof that it’s paying to patch retail I could say the same retail is paying to create tbc there is no evidence.
So your not a PvPer so it’s not a good change for you but you agree with the plethora of changes I put up that have been done for the health of the game it’s not just a small amount of pvpers it’s the majority and a large proportion of PvE players too.
True but it’s up to blizzard to change it so it doesn’t get exploited they even said in Interview that it wasn’t their intention to be used like that.
They did not fix premade Vs pugs unless ur talking about AV only.
Again just a pve mind set faction balance on PvE servers do not have as much impact I’m talking about racials not classes I don’t deny that paladins made Allience good for PvE look at pve servers it’s mostly Allience dominated look at PvP servers it’s horde dominate all because of racials it doesn’t take much to guess why horde have big queues in PvP and PvP servers are unbalanced in world PvP on most servers.
That’s really the point, They would not alter the price of Retail so if you wanted to play both then your sub would rise.
Not saying its free but its a damn lot cheaper than completly new content.
You are right about there being no proof but why would they not take the money I pay for my sub and use it where its needed more?
Still no proof that it would make any difrence for pve though and the changes you put up were not features from future expansions though.
Its up to them to fix it yeah but without the amount of min/maxing with worldbuffs is the fault of the players and if people didnt do that there wouldnt be a problem to fix even.
Thats where the somewhat came in and didnt say they fixed it buy tried to fix it.
I transfered from a pvp server so I know the horror of the pvp servers. But buffing the ally racials or nerfing the horde once would have made the balance flip the exact other way. World pvp was never and will never be anything more than unorganised gank fests people usally just wait for someone to fight a mob and then attack them or gank up on them they are not fair in any way shape or form. From what I can gather it seems more people are playing the game for the pve aspects though but people do enjoy some pvp from time to time thats why the pvp servers are popular not for world pvp but for the risk and for the odd random fair fight.
Two products. The one I have zero interest in. So I would like to pay only for one. It is also a way (my way) to show them, how much they screw up the game. I don’t want to pay or my game (Classic) to be “sponsored” by the abomination they created.
They hide statistics for a reason. It doesn’t fit their fairy tale.
Are they the only one, that hide sub numbers? FF, ESO, GW2; Anyone knows?
Generally speaking, guys and ladies, DO NOT try to do the devil’s advocate with this company. We should only care, about our gaming experience. If you don’t care, fine. But don’t endorse them. Nothing good comes out of it.
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Yep, you’re definitely an example of those people I don’t want to interact with, god knows what you’re like in-game. I can’t think of any person I know that would enjoy speaking with you based on what and how you say it.
To quickly cover what you said and to never address you again: I never said or implied for blizzard should change everything to suit me, only you said that. And of course they can introduce whatever they want they want, it’s their game. And obviously no one has to buy any service they introduce. Honestly I don’t know where you come from or how old you are in particular, but I hope it’s below 20. Classic stereotypical internet user creating points that no one said like they said it and making some point out of it.
Yeah servers with a lower population cap but more of them would be great. More people more griefing/botting.
Guess I am addressing you again. If you think changing the pathing of a mob in an instance took a lot of man hours you have no idea what you’re on about.
Feels like he thinks he knows more than he does. There are a fair few like him, but thankfully the majority are not who never visit the forums.
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