What is everyone’s thoughts on a sub fee for Classic only? There have been some other threads about it, but a lot seem to be quite old.
I’ve been thinking about it more and more since Classic was first released. The fact it and retail are included in one price is very good value for money, but I’ve also felt that it has attracted some…unsavoury individuals who ruin the experience for others, to be polite about it. Not that these people wouldn’t exist with a fee in place, but I feel it would greatly decrease it.
To list some:
A dramatic increase in those who don’t care about anything as long as they get what they want (not exclusive to WoW of course, it seems to be everywhere).
So SO many who leave instance runs when they get their loot or their quest items and abandon others, or just afk and barely do anything. To the point I just levelled doing quests and abandoned even trying to get groups, even if we only needed 1 or 2 randoms. The thought of getting a fully random group makes me squirm.
Those who try to take mining nodes from others while someone else is mining, or fishing pools others are already fishing. Always some mindless justification when you question them about it “I’ve been at this pond for 4 hrs” or “Nodes are free game”.
I feel the above will just be even worse in TBC. That being said, I have had a good few very friendly interactions with actual human beings other than friends who play, but they always seem so few and far between. I have no desire myself to play retail and only subbed again for Classic, and I’d love to see it become it’s own standalone game.
I’ve had far more good interactions than bad ones in the game, maybe only a few percent of bad ones.
I don’t think the sub should be split into two parts. As you have said people have mentioned this before and the reasons not to are covered in those threads.
If it was cheaper sure seeing as they dont need to actually devlope much at all for classic put it on a seperet cheaper sub and it would be ok.
Dont think it would change that much about how people behave though if it was a seperate sub.
Not sure how a seperate sub would remove those people.
I have not have had the same experience as you when it comes to that but yeah that must be anoying if you put your self out there more you will find that its not as common as you might think it is but it happens from time to time in the open world but almost never in dungeons.
You will never get rid of those people. Mining nodes are fairly hard to snipe seeing as you try to mine the one mine that is up at that moment if the person have auto loot on and click again quickly no one manages to ever steal it from that person. For fishing pools they are fair game though and seeing as its like you cant get the same fish without the pool they always will be seen as completly fair game.
I would also personaly love to not pay for retail as well. And good that you have found some good people atleast. I would suggest looking for a chill more social guild and play with those people and you will find that a lot of people are helpfull and not as bad as some bad apples are. And TBC most likley will be a bit worse for the first few months and then the worst people will go away again seeing as they tarnish their reputation and people will try to avoid them.
Hexx would be fine with it because Hexx will never return to Retail, ever. But Hexx refuses to be selfish and in for excluding Retail players in Classic.
There be toxic people in both camps. Even back in da day, there be lots of toxic players. It just felt like there were less because servers were generally much smaller and people weren’t as sweaty as far as min-maxing goes.
Look at it dis way, mon… if we pay for da Retail, too, maybe Blizzard will create more content for Retail players soon, so you get a relative Retail-free Classic experience and everybody wins, yah?
Okay, Hexx shuddup now. No idea what I am sayin’ no more ahehaeha.
No thanks, you know that the sub fee has not changed since 2004 so it’s not like what you pay funds retail in any way it’s a service that blizzards provides allowing you to choose what server to log in under their umbrella your post is like asking x-box to make a seperate game pass just for you so that there is only 1 game that is on a seperate subscription because you don’t like players from other games, it’s completely unrealistic and stupid.
You sound like your more suited to a Private server as wow classic does not represent you but the majority of the playerbase whether you like it or not if you don’t like it quit
It’d be great having to pay 3 different subs for 1 account to be able to have access to Shadowlands, Classic and TBC.
Or we can not give Activi$ion any ideas.
I would agree, although I feel the percentage of bad is higher than Vanilla, but more players would cause that. Obviously depends on the server as well, whether it’s PvP or Normal. Definitely some poorer mindsets on PvP servers I’ve found.
Yeah, I’d be happy paying a slightly cheaper and separate sub for Classic. Classic is like a F2P game within Blizzard’s gaming platform for those who paid for the sub already.
I suppose the idea would be that there would be less players, hence there would be less of those people. I’d rather have quality over quantity.
You sound exactly like the sort of people I’m talking about that I don’t want to interact with. They are looking to make money off TBC Classic going forward with shop services etc that weren’t there in the initial Classic launch (other than realm transfer), so I’d say funds are being made for other games.
Not true if you are in the UK or in south america though.
You dont get how a mmo works right? The monthly sub is there to found the development of the game and with the classic version not needing that much development it goes mostly to retail.
Its not a service its a sub fee big diference. And up until classic it was just one game so not really I dont have to pay the wow sub to pay wc3 or sc2 or HS.
There you have a “service” the most logical thing would be for them to remove that cost though seeing as microsoft have nothing to do with the cost or development of those games.
You are one of the people that want to have a private server sanctioned by blizzard though with your willingness to introduce things like dual spec so dont drag others down to your level
While I would not mind paying for Classic only, seeing as I don’t even have retail installed, I do not see how that would get rid of toxic or selfish players in any way. Those who want to play Classic would pay for it regardless, I think there is a tiny minority of people who would quit paying for Classic who are currently playing it.
Well what if your the type of person I don’t want to interact with should blizzard change everything to suit me?
They are a business plain and simple classic exists because they where looking to make money. Going forward they can introduce whatever shop services they want it’s their IP. It doesn’t mean you have to buy them and if they go too far they will lose the players as they won’t keep subscribing to a game they don’t like.
No the sub fee exists to make profit and pay for upkeep of the servers they use some profits for R&D do you think wow classic didn’t have a development team bringing the game back to life they didn’t even have a stable version they had to retro fit legion client and that costs money. Tbc is the same it costs money to develop
They plan to make that money back and profit like any game development.
I don’t think you grasp what licensing is they pay the developers money out of the sub fees or they own it and keep a profit because it’s their platform just the same way Netflix works it’s why you do not have every game or movie added to the service. Your subscription covers these costs and In wows case covers server costs,customer service,gm, development, advertisement,other staff everything that goes into making the game.
I never asked for it to be sanctioned by blizzard I’m just saying it sounds like what the op wants as he wants to cut off half the playerbase with a seperate subscription because he doesn’t like the people. Drag others down to my level what are you even talking about?
Nothing wrong with dual spec and clearly I’m not alone in thinking that as there is plenty of threads none of which I have created. Maybe people are fed up with the damage of closed minded players have on the game as a whole.
That is not how companies work. A company’s purpose is to make profits, especially one like Blizzard that has shareholders. Shareholders won’t tolerate funding the development of Retail with Classic profits, they only will accept funding Retail with an investment proportional to the money they get from Retail and still keep having profits, in case Retail reduces its profits they won’t use Classic profits to compensate, they will reduce Retail funding and keep Classic profits into their pockets. And of course, they know how much money they earn with Classic and Retail separated even with a shared fee, they have metrics to show if players play in Classic, Retail or both.
Like I said it dont need MUCH development seeing as its old code on a even older enginge that have had some updates but the code still works especialy since all the missing parts of the code is already back
I know how licens work but seeing as you were the one who said that the sub fee for wow is the same while earlier in the same run on sentance so you seemed to think the wow sub is the same thing as the xbox thingy.
What im talking about is that you ask for new features even if you are not the one who asked about them to begin with like for example dual spec that was not in the game. Drag down to your level was the wrong choice of words though so im sorry about that. Should have said that the pot is calling the kettle black instead. You say he is requesting changes while doing it your self. Its not being close minded to not want changes that are not needed in the game.
They clearly dont reinvest that much into classic though seeing as they dont need to invest that much into it while the new code for new things in retail costs them a lot more it would be stupid of them to not reinvest the money they earn from any sub into their flagship titel unless you think they just pocket the money wich they might do who knows.
How do you know how much the development cost that they put into to get classic to get it working I heard it was a challenge and the other costs involved. Retail mostly gets developed as they sell the box version of the game to pay for it how much did you pay for wow classic game? That’s right it’s just the subscription. As jadzia said they are not gonna use another games profits to pay for another game retail makes alot more money than classic it has more players,mtx and the box price.
I don’t think asking for features that makes the game better is draging anything down look at wow classic vanilla if there wasn’t changes made to the game it would have been an absolute disaster and they had a mostly hands off approach. Look at some of the changes they had to implement.
Allience premading in AV they completely changed the queing system as it was making it unbearable for the horde
Could sap world buff givers changed it to make it immune
Changed eye of killrog so you couldn’t bubble it and pull mobs
Changed elemental mobs in mauradon to drop nothing so you couldn’t farm it continually
Changed that you couldn’t make raids in dungeons to farm exp
Changed reckoning so you couldn’t hold charges forever and one shot players
Shortened phase 2 as it was a shambles because of raids farming players over and over
Changed spell batching near the end
Changed how black lotuses work new spawns better timers
Changed how devilsaurs spawns to combat mafia
Changed Dragonslayer to give ranged attack power
Implemented dungeon caps to reduce botting in dungeons
Look at things they could have changed to make the game better
World buff meta was terrible for the raiding environment most people agree with this the fact they took til phase 6 to make a change so that people could play their mains
Mages one pulling instance making the boosting meta most players hate this with a passion
the worst ranking system ever designed
Premades Vs pugs
Alterac valley map design
Changes to make better faction balance so it reduces queue times for horde
The issue is I don’t think this is the “greedy retail players” game mentality has changed. The way players interact with games has changed.
This wouldn’t work it’s just people clinging to a old mentality surrounding games. It’s old content, content players already know. So ofcourse people interact differently.
Well, given the state of retail I think they don’t reinvest Classic profits into retail, they just invest into retail the amount they allow them to still have profited from retail, and that it seems to be less than years before. The profits from Classic probably go into their pockets or into new projects where they expect to also have profits. I don’t believe for a moment that Blizzard is throwing their profits from a project willingly into another project that will not return the investment, so no, Classic profits does not compensate Retail loses to keep Retail alive.
The behavior of people is kinda server and guild dependant. Other servers might have slightly better experiances for you. Regardless what blizzard failed to understand, is that vanilla was vanilla not only due to the mechanics, but also due to the servers. With the bloated servers the’ve created, they also created more possibilities for grieving to go unpunished. If they had smaller servers, there would be more community regulated expected behavior.
But unfortunatly it seems like there even trying to prevent that in classic forever, with connected realms.
Wouldnt surprise me if you were right about that actually tbh.
Well that might have to do with externa factors, its probbably a lot harder to work from home on something like wow than most people think. But yeah they most likley invest the absolut minimum to keep retail going right now.
Its a likley scenario.
The thing there is that Retail is not losing them money so it wouldnt be to keep it alive but to make it more profitable that they would take the money they earn from people just playing classic and pump it into retail.