Classic+ // Retail, do both worlds coexists?

Hi folks,

I was watching some WoW content in youtube, and I randomly connected few contepts that I’d like to share with you.

Lets mention the timelines. From WoW vanilla until WoD, we’ve been playing in a “single” timeline.

Quick disclaimer here: It is true that we’ve been messing around with the Caverns of Time instances/raids, where we were told that every relevant event from them, happened because of us fighting the infinite dragonflight. So, in the end, we were playing around the same timeline, only traveling to the past to achieve the same future.

However, after WoD, things changed, where another timeline did merge with our current one, meaning that all the past events could drastically change for certain future; eventually generating different posibilities for the “future” (or current) timeline.

Now, let’s take a break from all this in-game lore and timeline stuff, and take a brief breath for a minute and talk about when Classic Era was implemented.

1.- Chromie:

See the Classic Era release video, where Chromie (a high rank of the Bronze Dragonflight), alters the timeline again, rerolling every event to the past. In that video, we see every relevant event from every WoW expansion re-rolled back to the vanilla WoW timeline.

Chromie is an important character and one of the most relevant actors on this thing that I think it’s about to happen.

So, Chromie did bring us back to WoW Era, while knowing that Retail WoW coexists. In her mind, she knows that both timelines coexists, and, if she does, Blizzard does too.

Chromie is too a very relevant character in Dragonflight’s lore, and is able to do magnificent stuff revolving timelines. She knows that every little change could create infinite other posibilities in a timeline, spliting up to those infinite parts.

Now, I remember a Murozond dialogue (I can’t remember where), where he sais “Aman’Thul… What I… have… seen…”, speaking to the leader of the Partenon, who gave Nozdormu the power of the time (or something like that); In that dialog, we can theorise that Nozdormu’s dark version has seen a very dark and tough ending for the current timeline that we are playing, from Vanilla to Dragonflight; and giving some justifications for the Infinite Dragonflight to justificate their acts, like, they want to change the past so it doesen’t end in the tragic end that only he has seen.

Knowing the proximity of Chromie with Nozdormu, it could be possible that Chromie could try and help Nozdormu in the present timeline, so it doesen’t turn into Murozond eventually, while reseting the whole timeline to its neutral state (Vanilla), in hopes of changing something at some relevant point to alter the timeline and get to the “good ending” for that timeline, instead of the “bad ending” that we are fated to see eventually.

2.- Timeline divergances and Classic+

If Chromie (or the Bronze Dragongliht) wants to save us, or the world, or Azeroth, from the bad ending, she has to work around “giving up” already fated timelines, and “working on” early timelines, in where she can change its present and thus, its future.

This opens the possibility for Blizzard to, justified by Chromie’s motivations, open a new Classic+ era, which coexists in canon with Retail WoW. In that timeline, she wants to drive the timeline into the right direction, which will lead in a healthy Azeroth in the future.

In that timeline, Chromie would have altered relevant events, such as the opening of the Dark portal (in which we fought against the Infinite Dragonflight); or many others that could be this relevant, but only after WoW Era events are done. It means, everything after Vanilla Naxxramas.

What events did lead us towards TBC? They would change alot, maybe blowing up the dark portal would be an option. That would lead that WoW timeline to another different one, where we don’t fight Illidan, and maybe we fight the scourge instead, or maybe we investigate our world better than what we did, in less time, discovering pandaria pre-cataclysm, Kezan, and other islands that might have been shattered due to the Cataclysm events, or maybe head to Quel’danas before knowing all the drama.

This is all especulation tho, but I think that this facts make sense in the way that Chromie is everywhere, she’s able to access/manipulate timelines; we want Classic+, ClassicWoW and Retail WoW. That explanation could give Blizzard the justification they need (if it isn’t already on the way) to develop those projects with less “Deux ex machina” thing.

3.- Is it already on the way?

I haven’t been a loremaster player in Dragonflight, but I’ve been seeing thins here and there that made me think of the relevance of Chromie.

With the timeline relevance that the game is having lately, with the new megadungeon or with other quests that made us float between timelines, it would not be very rare for us to play in one of those timelines (not the one of full murlocks tho, please); It is possible that Blizzard is cooking something, and it is possible that Blizzard has been cooking it since the WoW Classic release, showing Chromie in the game more than ever, or giving her more relevance. In retail, she’s the NPC that you talk when you level up for timewalk; for Classic Era, she was the character who “allowed us” to access to that old timeline and play Classic Era, and also, she was selling the Chrono-boon thingy that stored world buffs, if that’s not relevant, idk what else to say.

With all of that in mind, it makes me think that Blizzard is cooking Classic+ from long ago, or at least, they saved their chances in order to justify it. I think that Classic Era was more than a Nostalrius version to capitalize returning players or Classic enjoyers.

It has been a “market test” to see if Classic is working well, and if so, they did even open a door in Dragonflight to justify the Classic+ release after we face certain event regarding the Infinite dragonflight, Murozond (I always forget the name, makes me google it), and the fate of our current timeline.

I hope you could get some of the random stuff that I posted, but I think that it makes sense to me, tho, i’ll need to re-read it again; feel free to say your own too!

Cheers!

Usually, when some universe introduce time travels and alternate timelines, it means one thing - writers have no idea what to do, the story is falling apart and now it will be a complete mess. WoW story is already not in a good state with tons of retcons, lack of focused vision, “it’s only titans point of view” crap and so on. If they will introduce another timeline in Classic+, it would be a final nail into WoW lore coffin in my opinion. So I really don’t want that to happen. Adapt retail dungeons to classic, raid, existing locations, whatever you want, but don’t touch the story, which is already barely alive.

It’s a fun idea but no, I don’t think they have thought of such at all. I think they just used Chromie to advertise Classic because she is a beloved bronze dragon NPC.

If I am wrong, I will be utterly amazed and intruiged!

I don’t think classic was ever meant to be a multiverse alternate timeline compared to retail and honestly if they do go the classic + route I hope they won’t turn it into an alternate timeline because that would imply that a lot of the retail lore changes that feel… well cheap, underdesigned and attempted to overwrite whatever came before automatically rolled out into the new classic+ lineage

This is a bit like Star Trek. In that there is a true timeline that must be preserved, so Joan Collins has to die by being run over by horses back in Victorian times when Kirk and Spock went back there. Also they have to preserve it when they go to 1980s LA to kidnap Free Willy to bring him to the our future / their present.

But there is also the Mirror Universe with evil goatie Spock. Also visited by DS9 crew several times where there is also evil terran versions of DS9 crew.

Then there is Alternate Timelines in the JJ Abramms films where Vulcan is blowed up.

So Timey Wimey is all things to all people when the story demands it.

But in WoW there is one true prime timeline that the Bronze Dragons are trying to protect. There are other timelines but the Bronze Dragons (and thus we) don’t care about those, except when they intersect with ours (like in WoD).
The Infinites want to alter this Prime Timeline for some reason (they think they’re saving us all, but still talk and act like Pantomine villains so not sure this is creditable). Not sure why they don’t go and do their plan in an alternate timeline.

classic+ is not a great idea imo.

Yep. The speculation was enjoyable to read but this point has been driven home a number of times, including in this expansion. That storyline with Eternus underlined why things should not be messed with despite the compassion the Bronze Dragonflight may feel.

I’m sure if they’d go the Classic+ way, they’d find a way of justifying it but I doubt they’ve been setting it up as you speculate. In that case changing timelines would have given better results, with the Bronzes going: eh, maybe not a bad idea after all :wink:

Nope they should be separated foreva

Trying to change fate is how the Infinite Dragonflight came to be. So this would just lead right back to the Infinite, but with Chromie as the starting point rather than Nozdormu.

That said, i see where you are coming from but Blizzard doesn’t need to justify Classic+ going in it’s own direction, if that’s what ends up happening. Retail and Classic+ would ultimately be different products (if the rumors are true anyways) and as such can have seperate lore/stories without invalidating each other.

In a sense it would be like Warhammer Fantasy: Age of Sigmar and Warhammer Fantasy: The Old World. Or even AoS and 40K.

Perhaps in this alternate timeline the Infinites are the good guys and they are protecting their timeline from the something else (can’t be the Bronzes as they only care about their Prime Time line).

This is getting a bit like Rick and Morty with their timeline is C-137 (well, for some of them).
Doesn’t the MCU have a numbered dimension / timeline also? To distringuish between the current on screen stories and all those in comics and other tv shows etc? Although Dr. Strange (and the recent Spiderverse stuff) probaly stretches this somewhat.

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