Like pleaseeeeeeeee, can u remove this abillity. Its actually so dumb, it makes every rogue spec playable. Oh im in trouble let me press vanish or evasion, let the CDR kick in, omg again?? oh lemme drop every debuff inclouding bleeds with this cloak, ahahaha u tried killing me, gotcha cheat death. Noice Evasion back up, yeeet, oh rlly bro, lemme just vanish again. Guess we have to use shadowmeld to reset now, yeet ure so bad bro, how do u loooose, i only have 15 defensives with CDR and a bubble thats undispellable and a racial thats compeletely broken for my class. Dont worry guys rogue isnt even S tier its unplayable, like it is every season since TBC. Only gods play RMP its so much skillsss stonks.
Never forget “OUTLAW and ASSA IS bAAAD” maybe its bad because no one plays it because the other spec is just easier to cheese wins with, autopilot secret tech and never die, eventually ull kill them swaping on trinkets amirite bois?
Personally its stupid, if every other class dont have 3x S tier specs like Mage/Rogue.
Remember when u all cried during the CC changes "buhu the game will be unplayable now, cant blind sap, cant win anymore, Assa just dies so easily, lemme just add this bubble for an honor talent. So now if u rotate nothing dies.
I mean u have to agree to some extent. Getting evasion during cloak, having evasion, vanish, CDR on it too, Meld, Cheat Death and just gouge for days into cheapshot, blind, sap, kidney.
Look at me, i have 1 wall, at 1,5m cd, thats literally it, u cant count rally because its actually so useless unless ur tryna save someone for a global. Not to mention u actually lose the health after so u can still yeet die from it.
Hell na Yejong if ure tryna defend this. its literally no different from SL outlaw never dying, the only thing u have to do is being able to actually press ur cd.
Ignore pain is extremely strong though? Ive played around with my own warrior and I feel extremely tanky with it. 11sec CD with just a lowly amount of 40 rage.
Theres a reason why arms are considered tanky.
Im not defending sub rogues since their defensives are broken thanks to it. But calling out assa which can only use one with no (what I know of) CDR to reduce it, is a different thing.
Assa has access, to the same tools -1 vanish and CDR. U can still evasion, into cloak, into vanish, then evasion is prob back up again, if ure unlucky u live with cheat death, u still have meld, if u rotate well on assa u shouldnt die either, sub and Outlaw are just more fail safe.
To compensate for that Assa is pretty tunnel dmgwise. And it doesnt need to stay in 100% of the time like people claim, u could garrote the whole team put ur bleeds up, step ur healer and go back in. But getting garrote on the whole team from stealth would mean u actually have to use the brain u know.
Cloak being an undispellable bubble is just too much imo, and it shows. Even if it was Assa specific it needs some kind of downside. Literally had an assa rogue offensivelly cloak my disarm like bruh its not fun at all. I could get behind a reduced Evasion dodge chance, and not being able to dispell bleeds and such, so u can still actually die and not just do whatever u want.
rogue (sub) is #9 2100 and #5 on 2400 the rest of the rogue specs are on positions 11-12# and not even worth mentioning
rogue is not worth for shuffle with all the griefing people do when they dont have singlest clue how to play with a rogue in team, aka they never let you sap or never let you have single cc on target cause they rp walk cross map just to hit target on blind example or they keep triple stun dr everything constant and they dont have clue of the right prios so they keep hitting something random when your trying to make window for the team to land a kill on the right target for the current opportunity
now which of the classes/specs would be good in shuffle then one might ask? well thats easy question to answer, that would be the every other spec that are not inted like mentioned, the specs thats playstyle people call “zuging”
now this include currently ww,ret,uhdk,arms,fury on the order for ranking currently from 1-5#, rogue is not the issue here
personally i almost went insane just taking the elite set for mine, you do not want to touch shuffle as a rogue if you value your mental health
If were on the matter of nerfing then lets nerf all the classes that are able to just pump sustain through all game till dampen kills something, or lets just nerf the shuffle entirely and remove it
Evasion - 2min cd.
Cloak of Shadows - 2 min cd.
Vanish - 2 min cd.
So basically, you are complaining now because assa can use those once per 2 min?
Or evasion (with Veil of Midnight honor talent) once per 1min if they use it exactly 1 min after eachother?
Btw, you know you can Storm Bolt during Evasion?
So you shouldnt be able to ignore disarm in bladestorm? You cant use bladestorm during disarm but you ignore it while inside bladestorm.
Ure stating it as if u use all 3 at the same time, ure aware theres healer cooldowns aswell right? realistically u should be able to stall after using 1 cd for a pretty decent amount of time considering u cheap, kidney, blind, gouge right?
Guess im wrong then, Rogue is fine even Assa, thats why rogue is played in AWC every season, they all make it work against all odds.
900 players above 1.6 as assa this season, Highest is 2621 with a decent WR, idk im prob coping so hard because thats 7x less players than Arms ladder. I mean nah im wrong, the 1000 people that played assa say its bad and totally unplayable.
Game is as of now in really good place if one plays any of the dps specs of warrior, not like this is nothing new tho. And warrior is not even the biggest outliers right now if we look at wws or ret or chicken when it comes to shuffle
At 2.5+ no one is griefing rogues. I literally almost never press my stunns, cus why would i when im not the one thats supposed to set up cc, thats only an issue at low mmr.
I dont jump in like a mongo, so he cant sap when i get combat, its obvious stuff. Like i said this is only an issue at low mmr which most good rogues wont be sitting at.
Then nerf ignore pain if you want to take a healer into account when it comes to defensives. Arms and fury can literally just stun during evasion and continue their rotation.
Statistics wise arms and fury is the ones who die the least amongst all dps except aug evoker whos just a tank in RSS.
Has a rly low death rate even in 3s.
The issue were you complaining about every single rogue spec, would been fine to just complain about sub since theres a reason for it. Reason to complain about assa? Dont rly believe it atm. Lowest win rate in 2100+ in 3s according to wowarenalogs.
Yea, well im not pushing from 1.8 to 2.5 on rogue just to lose my mind on the process playing with people that charge in the instant gates open and then proceed triple stun dr all or hit my kidney when im trying to blind sap on it or keep break my blinds every round for no reason
Funny thing is the people that play this stupidly also are the top dps melee specs in the game ranked 1-5# and the people have no issues climb the system even tho they play as described aka complete imbeciles
Did u ever contemplate, that its low because outlaw and Sub are S tier, why would anyone even mess with assa.
People used this exact argument for outlaw, and look now, its literally in one of the best comps in the game. Cdew and co dominating with Boomy/Outlaw.
Just because something isnt played, doesnt necessarliy mean its bad, just the same is true for classes that have high represenation but might not be very good.
If you call assa broken because of a honor talent the win rate shouldnt be lower. Amount of people dont matter with that part since most of the 2100+ assa rogues are the ones who play it as main.
Shuffle is really good playground for many melee dps as of now and rogue is not one of them due to its mechanics needing people in team to understand something of how to play with one
Sub rogues are actually pretty strong in RSS because of so many ways to avoid and reset + just mass cheap stuns etc. They enable while not loosing too much and with secret tech combo and all, they do respectable dmg.
So if you face an actual good sub rogue, you will most likely have a bad time unless you play a spec that counters it x)
as I know you dont actually play the game ill restrain myself of nothing more than let you look at the stats yourself, also I dont like to repeat myself