Although, I agree at +12 they should know the tactics no excuses. I do think it’s fair to expect new players in 0-5 and players who are still learning mechanics 6-10. Above 10 though, they should have a good grasp of what to do.
New players should learn the theoretical part of any instance including raids, Torghast or any M+ key before they are in. During the run, they will learn how to act/play. They will learn it with failures.
If you don’t know where to stay, I will leave. It doesn’t matter if it is low or high key or if it will be timed or untimed.
But if I see you know what to do but you fail to act because you are inexperienced, then I won’t leave until the chest.
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There is still a first time at every level. Anyway you seem to be angry at me, trust me I won’t be appearing and messing up your 12s I cba with dealing with pugs anymore and will still to the odd 5 and some lfr whilst I wait for DF and see if it worth carry on on the game.
But as the population stinks you might have to alter how you view ‘lower players’ you might need them at some point.
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How do you learn the +10 affix in a 2?
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By running an M+ 10 for the first time. 
And you will fail, but this won’t be a problem for me. But if you make M+2 level mistakes, I will leave without saying a word.
For example as a Ventry, if you control a Stoneborne in the wrong place at the wrong time, I will leave. And you will name it ‘‘toxic’’.
People are toxic for not doing homework before playing a video game for fun. To prove how toxic these people are I will leave runs where people don´t fulfil my expectations.
You people are suck dorks. I literally did a +15 key this week where no one knew how to play the dungeon. We had around 25 deaths.
You know what happened? When things went wrong I just explained what to do and we still timed the key.
You keep on talking big game about taking responsibility. Here´s some responsibility for you. Spend 2 minutes of your life checking the RIO pages of the ppl you grp with. If they suck? Just leave the grp. You won´t annoy them by being an annoying toxic man-baby, and they can fail their key in peace.
Same things goes if it is your key. YOU are the group leader, it is YOUR responsibility that people know what to do if you want to +3 a key. You can´t invite a random 2k IO person who plays for fun and expect to +3 a +12key. Check their RIO if they have a main linked, if so what IO is it? Is the role of the person the same as their main? Did their main just get boosted to 3k IO? You can´t accuse ppl of being lazy and then not put work into forming a good group.
People who scam their way into keys they don´t belong in are honestly heroes. Keep doing your thing.
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You can’t learn how to read a book if you don’t know how to pronounce the letters. We are in season 3 and people are still dying on Custodian Thonar because they are not cc’ing Thorned Shell and keep hitting him under the effect.
That is one big factor that keys get depleted and abandoned.Why?Because the tank rolls a dice at the start pulling packs and if the group makes it the key goes on.If it does not he leaves(or someone else does) and the group disbands.Most common scenario in Halls and De other Side at Fortified weeks.(Spires first pull too)
Unfortunately when someone does not know a few things the only way to learn them is when he needs to the hard way.I can’t see any other way.
I don’t like it either and i can’t stop to babysit in the middle of a key running.But PUG=Flip a coin
And i am timing 23’s and don’t even have clue what you talk about 
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Sameeeeee xD
Apparently it is a torghast-boss 
Literally unable to spell “frontal” as a DPS, queues into 20’s KEKW
Yea, reading this
shouldn’t be that hard before going in I suppose?
Never did, sorry. And already done with that gauntlet, so i don’t care
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And there is nothing to hate about Torghast, Tower of the Wonders.
People only hate what they don’t know.
It is completely off topic, but s1 made it too much of a grind that it is not fun anymore. And it reaaaaally depend on what spec you are doing it.
It is not off-topic.
Once a week. It was time gated.
Group up with meta, but if I am meta and if you keep hitting Thorned Shell and die, then I will leave and you will fail, deal?
Play it correct, show me you know what to do, then it is not important you fail. I will carry you till the end of the Worlds. No one cares about damage meters in Torghast because it is not good that everyone plays the same meta because you can’t run your M+ 23 with 3 warlocks.
If u invite someone in your key that has no experience thats on you… raging on them is stupid asfk i mean u literally can see what they have done
most people that cry about garbage mates in low keys are people who will not accept the fact that they are garbage aswell, thats why they play with garbage people.
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Not sure if you are wrong or not. What seems more wrong to me is people who join a +15, not knowing what they’re doing and leaving at early after the first or second wipe.
I really don’t mind people not knowing mechanics and trying to complete the dungeon, as long as they stay, or as long as they only decide to leave because the group agreed to.
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That sounds ok in theory but in practice the reality is that when you invite someone to your group, you never know if their score is earned, they were carried by permissive people, or they are boosted.
People like you make possible that clueless players get into 15’s for the reason I stated above.