C'mon dude don't get mad it's just a +12 :D

People in mythic plus should know the mechanics of the dungeon before going in, no excuses.

Why is people so permissive with dummies (to not say other word) hindering the whole party in dungeons?

Why do I get called “tryhard” for trying to complete a key in time or get as many +++ as possible, regardless of key level?

Do people find fun in depleting keys and dying multiple times to the same trashpack/boss because nobody interrupts or does the mechanics?

Why am I wrong for expecting BASIC aptitude when I pug for a +15?

Aaaahh so many questions and so few answers…

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Because that’s what tryhards do?

Well, yes having a blast messing around can be quite fun.

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Don’t be mad bro, its just lfr!

It is a computer game. I’m not studying for it before I play. It is supposed to be fun, I’ll learn whilst doing thanks.

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Absolutely 100% yes, especially if you’re pugging.
There’s some occasions when you can get away with it, guild carry runs ect.

Could be the way you’re communicating with group members but without seeing that myself I couldn’t comment. Another thing is people don’t like to admit thier mastakes and shortcomings and have a tendency to get angry at those to comment on them.

I imagine that there’s a small group of people who actually do get a kick out of this.

You’re not.

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So trying to complete the content in a proper manner is being a tryhard hmm ok.

You are right bro! If we ever party together you can be sure that I will stop in middle of the dungeon and /dance for 30 minutes, we’re gonna have sooooo much fun :partying_face: :partying_face: :clown_face:

Oh yes it’s a computer game so it doesn’t matter if you completely ruin somebody else’s work, who cares if the guy spent 3 hours pushing the key as high as possible just go and ruin it :crazy_face: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: it’s fun bro you don’t have to put any effort or care about anything just have fun :hear_no_evil: :hear_no_evil:

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Maybe if you ‘try hards’ actually stopped for a second and helped out others.

‘The rising tide lifts all boats’

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I got picnic toy! We can tell ghost stories and have a laugh!

It’s only a game. The real magic is the friends we meet and memories we make with them along the way.

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You really think a +12 is the place to help newbies? Oh my. It’s like you think the world revolves around you.

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No, a ‘newbie’ is unlikely to be in a 12. However if people were more supportive at lower keys, stopping to help out/guide then there would be more people running these mid level keys who know what to do.

As for me I’ve not done above a 6 this season and haven’t tried to do higher.

As I said too many people want ready made dungeon runners without stopping to think why there is a shortage.

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Why do people have to babysit you? I’m not your daddy, learn your stuff and don’t rely on other’s doing your job, what the hell is that mentality.

Depends on how you react when mistakes happen and/or what you say to the people responsible. Getting called a tryhard most likely means you act like one even if in theory you’re correct in wanting everyone to know what to do.

How does one ‘learn’ without be in such environment? Watching YT vids doesn’t cut it. People have to do 10+ to know how to manage the affix and the damage/timings at higher levels.

As I said you want ready made pug players without helping newer player learn how to run 10+ keys.

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You can watch video guides.
You can read adventure guide.
You can ask experienced people.
You can test the mechanics in regular mythics.

But no, you decide to go blind into a +15 and expect things to work, and blame other’s for not “teaching you” ok bruh

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Brethren, this warrants you making a thread?

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There is no such argument. Once the timer starts everyone is responsible for his/her part even on M+ 2. A key is a key, it doesn’t matter how low or high it is.

You should read M+ guides and watch the videos ‘‘how’’ they are running it. The tricky part is, that your knowledge is not enough, you should fulfil your knowledge in the act.

The more you practice, the better you will be.

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You are not reading my replies. Even with all that there is a ‘first’ time. Not everyone is the ‘Uber gamer’ you obviously are. Most people have to experience something to learn how to do it.

People like your self don’t seem to accept that.

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I accept that there’s a first time.

I do not accept is that you refuse to learn the things on your own.

I do not accept that you blame me for your lack of knowledge/lazyness/bad attitude/lack of competitiveness.

And I do not accept that my key has to be your training garden.

Maybe don’t go into harder content without knowing the content? You learn most of the stuff in dungeons in normal modes and still people fail at it even at +20. Like, there are people in 20s that are throwing the hook back to azeroth on stitchflesh in necrotic wake. This is a mechanic that exists on normal mode.

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I reached KSM in the worst expansion (Shadowlands) , does that mean we are very skilled?

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