The topic I want to discuss - these days lots of ppl live the game, not just play it. Players make money of it, streaming/boosting/competing, selling stuff.
Thus, I have a question - as semi casual, playing mby 4-6 hrs a week, do you like the idea of competing with such ppl to get kinda top-end rewards.
I totally get it if we talk about tournaments for money, medals and etc.
But is it actually healthy for the GAME to clash gamers with “workers”, you know what I mean.
It’s clearly obv that time invested + skill development equals pvp rank.
For example we talk shuffle (any bracket actually), theres is the biggest problem that r1 titles are extremely limited. These spots are simply reserved, and not for players, you know.
The second that comes - if you go for it, you battle vs ppl who invest enormous, unfair in some cense, and get it. I’m totally fine with ideology that if you want something - get good, play more and etc.
But for a PLAYER you can’t rly compete with full time wow EMPLOYEES.
What do you think, is there a way to fix this somehow.
If you don’t play to that level you should not be entitled to that reward simply. Its a bracket -everyone- competes in so it should be treated no differently.
That would be the equivalent of adding a bracket with rewards in, in league of legends for “casuals” who play nothing but normal draft / blind pick and letting them get challenger rewards
R1 titles for every class in shuffle, bgb etc are limited to one account still to my knowledge so if johndoe hits glad on 10 dks on the same account only the one spot is taken (to my memory).
I don’t think this is something you can fix because you’re almost effectively going to require alienate a large portion of players for billy no exp to get “rewards” out of his reach. Also it gets to a point its not really a reward at that stage either cause thats just handing out free rewards.
Elite / Legend is basically free now anyway thanks to SS and BGB, even billy no exp can get grandmarshal and run around in the yellow banana set so idk what more you can do / want without actually putting in the hours.
I used to play rly high, often being in top 2-10 spots of my spec in shuff.
It’s not question of being entitled or anything, I will prob do my last push n get it one day when I’ll be able to invest enough time.
But I don’t rly feel that the competition is fair between those two types of players.
thats why its pvp with limited spots its meant to be the push or strive to say hey look, ipushed the whatever top percentile of players this season. Its not meant to be a participation reward or anything akin to it, people just have to play and grind it out.
That or blizzard need to look at re-tuning CC timings / damage output to create more spec variety / class diversity to atleast make it more appealing, last i checked majority of class participation was skewed between ret, warrior and WW monk (which speaks for itself why people have issues with the game since its hyper lethal and people play specs which are almost on auto pilot)
This isn’t a issue you’re gonna find solvable anywhere in any PVP Game, the closest thing you can do to close the gap of skill is to reduce the skill gap entirely which makes nobody happy and does more harm than good for the sake of the game and lowers skill expression from classes which still have any if any.
It was one of the few things which blizzard have done which kept repeatedly harming wow, lowering skill expression. Back in the day you had these stance dancing, weapon swapping menaces with like 3 different weapon sets, one for sword and board, a two hander and a two hander with weapon chain, now you have 2 stances with abilities / weapon which works across all stances.
PVP is never fair unless everybody is on a parallel playing field with the exact same move set and opportunities, but even then you will always find slackers or people refusing to put the hours in.
The only thing being not fair is win trading but outside of that you can push high enough if you are good enough, sure people playing 24/7 got more time to learn/push.
But every games top end rewards are for ‘’ no lifer’’ like you said, it is what it is.
My idea is that shuff r1 n glad r1 title have such small numbers, that’s it’s simply not existing.
It’s occupied with ppl who’s not just “playing the game”
Every 3 shuff spots of every spec are usually occupied with multi r1 tournament players or boosters, that used to sell these characters
Idk how but they still do it for sure, you can check Aug for example and there’s Дондркон guy
He’s on top of Aug every season with different characters, and never the same names from season to season
I can see every class having up to 5 non players but wow employees (read as streamers/boosters/competitors)
so these rewards as a conclusion are not made for wow players, that’s my point
Can’t rly imagine any game having this kind of reward ratio, offering 3 winner spots for a whole region
Find a way to spend more time in game or don’t complain. You can’t compete with these players. Imagine, like in any game with competitive game mode which is esports oriented (wow doesnt oriented to esports)
THEN play CASUAL GAMES if you DONT HAVE time for competitive gaming
You actually wrote the important line - you can’t compete with these players.
That’s my point exactly
You can’t outqueue/outpractice these guys
They have thousands of games every season
If they are good (and they are) there’s no chance in universe they give up the spots
Also some r1s tend to gather in disc on the last days and sync queues to guarantee the spots/help friends to get theirs
Man, so unfair that i don’t get to play in the World Cups but Ronaldo does. I mean, i never train and eat a lot of garbage but it’s still just SO UNFAIR. I want to play there too and win and FIFA should make it possible!
It’s interesting that people in this forum usually reply in the most unfriendly way possible to express there opinion, if people don’t cater to their opinions. Usually degrading the person asking for a somewhat friendly discussion, fully suggesting switching games throwing the common trigger words as “participation trophy, casual etc” into self endulging how good they are.
Truth is, it is valid to ask questions about should it be required to spend 40hrs a week on a game mode of a game to be allowed to get a seasonal reward. And why not, it is a mmo most people started playing years ago and don’t have the time to spend same hours. It’s understandable.
2.4k is achieveable at some point and is a good benchmark for the highest reward meaning some kind of glad mount. But i think it is somewhat to high to be a seasonal reward. As of rank 1 titles, m+ 0.1% should be for “professionals” that invest tremendous hours each day to get it.
What I’d like to see is somewhat of a choice what mount you’d like if reaching 2.4 and playing a bit, taking out the seasonal pressure and fomo. This would aswell reduce the boosting services in this game in a long term i think and makes it generally healthier.
First, tsg mounts from trading post. Second, everyone have all mounts/toys and any possible thing in game which had to have rare drop chance for free.
Actually can’t wait for all old glad mounts and current for 1800 in solo shuffle.
You are jealous they have more time to play video games?
did you mean the “tcg mounts”? I don’t know if we talk about the same thing but at least personally I don’t care about too much and don’t know how easiely they were obtainable when they first came out, but since they have been on the bmah since it got implemented. I think it’s bad to make something so expensive to insentivise gold seller/booster and even blizzard themselves e.g. auctionhouse mount. I mean i bought it for gold because its invaluable if you play this game on a gameplay side, but i think its bad yes.
Same goes for trading post which is an extention of it. Imagine glad mount for 10k tendies there Scummed system in any way. But not my point.
I want to remove any pressure of gaining a reward in a timeslot, not necessarily make it easier.
Its called R1 for a reason though?
It would be hilarious to see people who put less time into the game have their own bracket with R1 though.
Seems like you would face the same kind of ppl even in there since it would just encourage ppl to play less to face less good ppl.
But that should also mean its not fair for the average player to face glad players for R1. So we need another bracket for R1 for the worse players.
You want to segregate top players and ruin fun for a lot of people who tryhard for r1 because its considered hard reward. That’s seems pretty negative and toxic
There is nothing to fix in my opinion. If you make money of this game and it’s a liveable wage, than good for you. If you’re casual as you described yourself, you won’t make a liveable wage off of it. I recommend you focus on what you enjoy doing in the game and take it as a fun waste of time. The competitiveness of it all is hardly worthwhile. Sure, you’ll feel good about it for a moment but it won’t last. There are far more important things to strive for in this life.
its meant to be the push or strive to say hey look, ipushed the whatever top percentile of players this season. Its not meant to be a participation reward or anything akin to it, people just have to play and grind it out.
Scummed system in any way. But not my point.