Concentration + ingenuity is a scam and a nerf compared to what we had lol

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OK, look with inspiration it was annoying to recraft 5+ times to get a proc and I know it

But let me explain why what we got in TWW is actually worse in most contexts.

in-game example.
with inspiration, I would go with my tailor to craft azureweave and chronocloth - using r1 r2 mats i would end up with ca 30% max rank bolts due to inspiration. not bad.

Now after they changed things around - a run around looms would net me 100% r2 bolts. Because I wouldn’t use concentration.
Well, fair - but what if I used concentration? I would have a few guaranteed max rank bolts and then run out of concentration.

BUT INGENUITY RETURNS YOUR CONCENTRATION.

fair - but since concentration is limited and ingenuity is a proc - you will rather quickly exhaust your concentration levels.
And even if you end up with decent returns - you will be concentration starved for a while for next crafts - being lowkey useless for a while.

Inspiration was endless

Is concentration any good then?

  • If you are a self-sufficient solo player, concentration might be great because you don’t craft too much and you will always get guaranteed max rank for your own needs.

however - try to sell your services and you will find you you don’t have enough concentration.

What does it mean in the big picture?

a) crafting services for max rank will be more expensive - crafters will know they can’t guarantee max rank endlessly - so they will charge more
b) lower rank crafts might become normalized - in DF they felt disgusting - now you might end up without a lot of choice. At least in the first half of expac - maybe later it won’t be an issue as in s4 of DF.

You might think - hah - at least goblins are dunked on and they won’t make all the millions from crafting!

WRONG

they will just have to (ab)use their alt armies.
So far alt armies were mostly for crafting CDs like alchemy’s dracothyst or tailor cloths.

Now they will just spend a little bit more time on alt’s knowledge to have spare characters for concentration for less involving crafts.

Who will be hit the worst

  • the casualish crafter who didn’t go no-life route but still would like to get some returns - now without maintaining alt armies - his chances of being useful are actually worse.

extra problem with concentration - patron work orders

  • instead of getting 150 “mettle/acuity” a week - we have to work for it.
    right now we have to waste concentration on cringe patron work orders. might not be an issue some time soon but right now crafters might be choosing between farming acuity and using it for crafts - IDK where it leads but I see problems here.

My take is that concentration + ingenuity is actually a nerf considering you could farm mettle endlessly (dragon shards) and you could fish for proc of inspiration as long as you wished.
Now your acuity sources are less robust, you can’t really refill concentration (unless I didn’t find out about it) at will - it refills on its own Very slowly

At first I was happy about concentration yay guaranteed max rank - but of course it’s blizzard and we have what we have.

Happy crafting, silly fillies.

PS: Let’s not forget that with concentration - mass crafters who spend hours mass crafting things - will mostly produce non-max rank things - resulting in higher prices for r3 and even lower for r2 :smiley:

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This is partly false because it helps a subset of casual crafters, and hurts another subset of casual crafters.

You are right that it hurts the group that tries to “casually” make a profit in the ah from materials, since they have to compete with alt armies.

On the other hand it MASSIVELY help casual crafters that want to be “self sufficient”, meaning those that have crafters to make gear for themselves.

From my point of view, blizzard made this expansion’s crafting such as max crafters can EITHER guarantee rank 5 with rank 3 mats on (almost) anything, OR casual crafters to make that gear with their inspiration.

For mats it is mostly a matter of supply/demand, and I am not worried that much since we can create R3 mats with lower ranks. But I might be wrong on this one.

From my experience until now, the only crafters that seems to have lost big time, are the factory/trade chat crafters, that spammed trade 24/7. That being because it will be easier for most people to get their gear crafted, and it would also be harder to take advantage of concentration for the big crafters.

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it might not be an issue on big servers.

but on small servers when there were like 3 all around crafters and nothing else for a long time, it will be a problem lol

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Not really, because now almost anyone can craft what he needs. It is the first week of the expansion, and a specialized crafter can already do rank 5 of an item.

In fact those crafters on those servers are gonna be the ones benefiting the most, since AH is regionwide and will be able to take advantage of lower R3 material prices.

Plus keep in mind that now any crafter can craft in ANY server in his region. All that needs to be done, is for the crafter/buyer to be in the same guild, and no matter the server the order can be completed.

There are already “crafter guilds” that people have all their crafter alts and can invite you from any server, craft your order as guild order, and you can then leave that guild.

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you are aware this is actually quite restrictive and inconvenient? Why would i want to abandon my own personal guild :stuck_out_tongue:

BS, bro - many recipes will be very hard to get, like in DF - so people who own them will be even more sought after - and will charge even more given how limited their concentration supply can be. It was already hard to find people with certain recipes in DF… now find someone with the recipe and free concentration LOL.
You are talking garbage right now…

back to my OP - we have “limited resource crafting” - vs “unlimited resource in DF” - and you claim that limited supply will be better for the market.

That goes straight to my “Insane takes for 500, Alex” folder.

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It’s an option. One that was not available before. You might not want to “leave” your guild for 5 mins for a craft and a fee. Another player in a small server might take that offer.

The only players that hurt are crafters that had “monopolies” on small servers.

Ok so:

  1. We have not seen ANY item that is as relevant as Lariat was in DF. Every role/spec has their own items that they need, so no standalone item will be THAT sought after from what we can see.
  2. There has been no data to indicate that ANY recipe will be that hard to get as lariat, so way to trash talk someone with just your speculation.
  3. OR instead of using concentration, you know, just ask people to bring R3 mats, since those are enough to guarantee any item he has specialized WITHOUT CONCENTRATION.

Again, you trash talk someone meanwhile only doing speculation and using misinformation.

3/10 troll.

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yep. especially THE ALMOST MANDATORY NECK SOCKET THING that drops from SEVENTH boss of the raid you dodo.

claiming such bs without having any clue just invalidates you and confirms you are usually a troll. what to expect from an ugly orc avatar.

you are like that panda dude - disagreeing for the sake of it no matter how stupid your take is

  • you guys made a hobby out of it at this point?
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Yes cause no one is gonna kill the 7nth boss of the raid.
And the few people that will have it from those thousands of kill the first week, won’t flood the AH with that item that:

  • Has literally no CD on crafting

  • Can be sold on the AH cross realm

  • Has no rank, so any materials will do, and no skill needed.

This sounds like a goldmine!
/s

The troll score just dropped to a 0/10.

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lol didnt read

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I’m with Razgard.

Big changes to a system will help some and hurt others.

Who did it hurt? The factory trade spamming crafters. A goof thing.
Who is it helping? People who want to be more self sufficient who in DF came up a couple of points short of a max craft, didn’t understand why and hated the system because of it.

Overall its a positive change and will help more people than it harms. You’re falling into the usual trap of thinking the game ought to be designed around you, your circumstances and your preferences - it isn’t.

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Rank 2 mats are already the same price as rank 1.

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correct?
did I mention rank 1 anywhere?

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Wrong, it will also benefit people who have a side hustle in it rather than a day job.

So I’ve disagreed with you, you called it low IQ, trolling, called me mentally troubled and even gone so far as to mock my avatar. Does that strike you as normal?

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yes because I point out your hypocrisy and antisocial, toxic behavioral pattern.
Your avatar is part of your image - it’s not an aggressive orc or anything - you try to take the “zen”, “meditation” “harmony” connotation out of it to put on top of your insane, deranged, hecklish, aggressive and spitefully confrontational takes - you try to trick people into subconsciously thinking it’s a smart, wise take of some sort of Master of Zen
it’s clever in your mind and most people fail to notice - but it’s pretty obvious what you are doing using your pandaren alt out of all your characters.
But for someone dedicating their life to fight people on WoW forums, it would be kinda silly if you didn’t put minimal effort in maintaining your forum game?

You are so deep in your sick and twisted behavior and being a czar and grey eminence of the forum that you fail to see how deranged you became.

(inb4 u respond with “NO U” kind of take)

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All I did was disagree with your take on crafting. Pretty much the same as Razgard did and you said to him

Totes normal!

I’ve never had people write a dissertation my posting alt choice before. A more rational take would be I used this char to post because it was my main at the time. The look is because I found the hat goofy and went with it.

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Deja predictabe like a metronome :man_shrugging:
now i’m expecting you to write “a thesis” on how your previous response is not a NO U

uh-huh - because that’s what you always do, by the matter of principle.
I might write the most obvious thing in the unvierse and you will come with at least ACKSHUALLY. And that makes you a deranged individual. You spent time on writing 14k posts on this forum and instead of learning how to debate or any kind of rethorics… you just keep doing the same deranged I disagree with the Topic of the Day. insane xD

ye, I get that reading a few sentences is taxing on you, dw.

sure, would be silly to admit to your attempt at subliminal messaging and fake connotations.

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the uneducated you wouldn’t know that subliminal messaging is a core thing in mostly private advertisng - the government - or more likely politicians - adopted it for election campaigns.
And the whole idea can literally be used for anything, even as basic as… dating.

But of course you wouldn’t know that - you can’t learn things arguing on WoW forums for 18 years.

PS: Also it’s not even close to a “conspiracy theory” - but it’s a continuously researched field of psychology - mainstream psychology - it’s not fully explained tho.

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