Confusion about Arcane magic classifications

This thread is mostly a question to clear up a few things since I am confused even after reading the wiki on it, so, apologies if the wording is a little wonky.

I have been trying to read on the classifications of Arcane magic as of late (divination, abjuration, etc.) to make a mage roleplay character. Reading these, I have noticed something, and it’s genuinely making me a little more confused everytime I seek other source, so, here goes.

What exactly is conjuration and evocation magic?

Some places mentions conjuration being the school of magic in which elements are formed and things are borne out of nothing, and thus, something like a fireball could be a part of it.

But also, one of the Dalaran books about Arcane magic’s classifications (the abjuration one in specific) mentions that Arcanist Doan’s arcane shield + flamestrike combination is a combination of evocation and abjuration - but at the same time, evocation doesn’t even have its own book.

Then, there’s evokers, who (almost) only do elemental magic but are called evokers, but then again, it could be about how they’re ‘evoking the power of the flights’ or something.

So which one is it? What exactly is conjuration and evocation? Does evocation even actually exist as a school of Arcane in Warcraft? Is there simply no answer?

Important to remember that these classificaitons are created in-game by the Kirin Tor. They’re not “objective” statements about the way magic works. You can presume that other mages - the Highborne, for instance - probably have a totally different way of looking at it.

The spell schools discussed are imports (and variations of*) old D&D spell schools. Historically, conjuration is summoning, and evocation is twisting raw magic (the ‘weave’) into a form. So a conjuration fireball would be a mage summoning and enslaving a fire elemental before throwing it at another person, while an evocation fireball might be them taking raw arcane energy from the ambient air and reshaping it into flames.

The end result is still a fireball, but how they get there is different.

Important to also remember that what school a spell belongs to can - and in D&D’s case - has changed over time depending on the edition. The humble Cure Wounds has at one time or another been Necromancy (because it deals with ‘Life’ magic), Conjuration (it…summons healing?? I guess???), and Evocation (because it deals with manipulating energy). None of these are wrong options (and indeed you could justify other spellschools with only marginal difficulty).

*I say variations because Enchantment in D&D is a mind-affecting school with things like Charm Person. In WoW it’s an item-enchanting school to make weapons magic.

(Ironically with the way Detect Magic is phrased in D&D the magic school of a spell is objective but that’s immensely silly and very weird from a worldbuilding perspective so I try not to think about it too hard)

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What Elentheas said really is the least headache-inducing way to think about it.
Clarifications in universe are rare as they are.
It is one of the things you really shouldn’t overthink for the sake of your hairline.

The way I looked at it is that Evocation is the manipulation of raw arcane energy, which, according to the in game books, is not the same as mana (mana = water, arcane = steam pressure).

There are several ways to justify magic feats, and there are several different arguments why a certain spell could belong to one school or the other.

For example, how does the food spell work? Do you achieve it by drawing forth (summoning) existing food from somewhere else? Conjuration.
Do you shape arcane energy into food? That could arguably be Transmutation.

That would then beg the question whether shaping arcane into something different is Transmutation or, say, Evocation. Or possibly both. Is transmutation exclusive to manipulating something preexisting? Where do the Kirin Tor draw the line?

There will forever be more questions than answers, so what usually works best is to come up with your own reasoning, that should strive to be at least somewhat coherent, but not so narrow that it makes you think you’re contradicting yourself.

As Elentheas said before, these schools are Kirin Tor in origin. My draenei, who has practiced magic for centuries before even learning of the Kirin Tor’s existence, might be familiar with their system, but does not think like that.

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Sorry, I’m just leaving a reply here for myself to save the topic (bookmark included :rofl:) as I need everything for my toon’s lore as well

And in One D&D revised 5th edition it’s going to be abjuration. Because it… protects people from dying, I guess? (But really because of class mechanics granting access to specific spell schools.)

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I’m all but entirely certain that they were passed down from the time of Azhara’s empire, rather than invented in Dalaran.

In Azsuna there is a partially sunken academy where several books (as I recall anyway) mention some of the schools. Also necromancy, which is interesting.

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I don’t think Evocation as a school is canon anymore. It was from the Warcraft RPG, which was based on DnD.

3,5 in fact, and saddled WoW lore with a lot of copypasted nonsense.

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don’t worry about it too much, blizzard sure as hell doesn’t.

I always seen the Arcane as the rawest or raw types of magic.
It can create but also destroy things.

But i could be very wrong, happy to learn a few things as well while this topic is on going.

On top of classifications being in-universe thing, it´s also good to keep in mind that WoW isn´t hard magic setting. It also isn´t helped by many retcons, the greatest being change in Chronicles that turned Arcane into force of Order that is opposite to Chaos and Fel, which puts it in stark contrast to old lore where Fel was just a more corrupted Arcane, and both were chaotic, unpredictable forces.
In words of Captain Barbossa: The code is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules.

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On review, you’re correct. This NPC https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Drowned_Student
mentions some of them in their ambient dialogue.

So perhaps the Kirin Tor did steal ‘inherit’ some Highborne classifications, though other cultures would still view it differently - draenei (as mentioned) and orcs especially, but pandaren, tauren, vulpera, trolls, etc. likely all approach arcane spellcasting in a different way.

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The arcane schools find mention mostly in in-game books in Dalaran. Seemingly, these schools are also referenced by characters which belong to the Kaldorei Empire, hence the most obvious inference is that they were passed down by the highborne to human mages.

I will add, however, that the eight Magic schools are overly glorified IC. It is a very flawed classification system which role-players have over-used despite its many flaws, and often it feels like it harms roleplay rather than enhance it. The amount of times I was told I “have” to be specialized in those fields and be weaker in others appears to be mostly a headcanon inference some players have made from reading two in-game books, whereas most books which feature mages (The Last Guardian, the WotA trilogy) these distinctions aren’t established at length, when and if they are mentioned. Also when we see mage training (WotA, Mage the comic) it often involves learning different schools together (ie. presence of mind and pyroblast).

While one may argue that mages specialize in many magic schools, or sub-schools, it should be reminded that almost all of this is (plausible) headcanon based off a system which Blizzard never bothered to expand or define over time after the RPG became non-canon.

Conjuration is the art of conjuring objects from thin air - therefore it ranges from summoning refreshments to summoning elemental magic (such as the iconic water elementals).

Evocation is actually mentioned as a school. Runeweaver tells us that Arcanist Doan could combine two schools, abjuration and evocation, to both defend himself and attack. The spell he uses which is classified as evocation by the writer is basically a blast wave.

As evocation it’s never mentioned again, at this stage we do not know -if- offensive spells which pertain to the elements of fire and frost would fall under the category of evocation or conjuration.

While we do not have a clear answer, this informs us that at least some magical abilities which involve harnessing magic and turning it offensive pertain to evocation, and so far the abilities mentioned by Ansirem under conjuration aren’t offensive, but pertain more to the creation of certain non-offensive objects, such as water elementals and conjure water.

If my theory is true then a pyromancer would be an evoker, not a conjurer. But again, this is mostly headcanon as we do not have evidence for or against most of these things. Heck, for all we know Ansirem’s book may actually have errors in them, and evocation doesn’t exist!
Or perhaps conjuration and evocation are the same thing, but if that’s the case it’s never stated.

Again, with all flaws of the schools I just recommend to be vague. Feel free to use them, but keep your focus on a more defined identity, imho. For example, call yourself a pyromancer, not a conjuror/evoker specialized in fire magic.

TLDR. There is seemingly some level of confusion between conjuration and evocation and this is due to the fact the definitions suck. They both exist and as far as we know either overlap a little, or they are the same thing, or offensive elemental magic is exclusive to evokers.

We know that Meitre, one of the few Highborne Archmages to defect to the Kaldorei Resistance, is considered the father of modern magic. His research during Azshara’s reign laid the foundation of magic as we know today. After the Sundering and the Highborne Exile, Meitre’s research was taken across the sea by the future High elves, and in time his teachings spread to humanity first through Dalaran and then to the “other institutions” per Cycle of Hatred.

Although his scrolls were thought to have been destroyed when Scourge destroyed Dalaran and Silvermoon respectively, we found out in Legion that Meryl retained some of the original ccopies of Meitre’s works! It was one of my favourite call backs to old, obscure lore.

Point is though that it’s canon that much of modern magical teachings are directly descended from Meitre and thus the Highborne.

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It’s literally a d&d rule where your specialisation in one school bars you from another for game balance.

Whenever a question like this, it’s good to wonder if it’s old lore or new lore.

In old lore, Arcane and Fel were interconnected, you could ‘transmute’ one to another through chaotic means, it’s why there was a massive set of rules about Arcanist trying to not become too addicted and why those who couldn’t resist it turned to Fel. It’s also why the Shen’dralar had a demon stashed in their basement, they weren’t having the Sin’dorei treatment, they just ‘refined’ the Fel. At that time, Arcane had also the necromancy bits who lead to the powerful necromancers we know who were in Dalaran at first. Don’t quote me on this, I am not exactly accurate but it’s a brief summary.

Well, all this is trashed with Chronicles, as previously said, now Arcane is all independent from Fel and this whole addiction Arcane/Fel and mage switching to Fel are gone. So it makes everything written in WC3/Vanilla meaningless.

The better idea when looking at Arcane is looking at the new stuff only and if you look at the old stuff, place it in the context of old lore.

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Kel’thuzad was a mage. A Kirin Tor. Death magic (barf) didn’t exist in the more civilised age… Good old times…

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Well, yes but actsually. Arcane and fel were the same magic, not just interconnected. Fel was its more potent, fully-developed version, whereas the magic wielded by mages was a “watered down” form of the same magic.

It’s why, for example, the Netherstorm basically is full of purple, arcane magic: in the Nether, there was also the Arcane, because Fel and Arcane were the same! It was not just the home of the demons, it’s a dimension full of many different magics.

It’s also why certain mages were walking a thin line between warlocks and mages, such as the blood elven’s Blood Mages.

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I recall an analogy that went like this
Arcane is the Mary Juan
Fel is the blue rock candy from Breaking Bad.

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