But what are you talking about my friend. Paladin is good just if it crits 3 times in a row. But that never happen you headless chicken
If you think Pala is bad in PvP at this cap you honestly need to uninstall the game.
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insert any class instead of paladin there and then it applies to everyone by that logic
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But what are you saying what you are saying is not true. paladin is not good in pvp. Where do you get this from
They are infact the best frontline there is afaik in this meta. What game are you playing man.
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No you need just 1 crit on every classic except warriors and paladin. Rogues does more then 1k in one crit. SP in one crit does 2200 dmg and one crit with warlock its 2400.
So every class jsut need one crit. Paladin needs 3 crits to get upp to 1400 dmg. and that means it need to crit dircly after each other. So no paladin is not good on pve or pvp. People that are shaman gonna tell this and a hunter? Like my friends you dont even know what you talking about now you and this dude
if you loss vs a paladin if you are not a warrior then you are noob that cant play your class.
only way you are noot a noob its if paladin crits your 4 times then its just bad luck for you and great luck for paladin
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This dude thinks frontline PalaĀ“s are weight in by the damage they do aloneā¦ This guy has no clue what organized pvp even looks like in this meta and he is here to tell us that Paladin frontline is not the best because of damage??? DO you even know what a frontline does?
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The screencap i posted was 2 hits, 1 white autohit and 1 crusader strike critting for a more than 1.4k+. If command procced and also crit that would have been near 2k dmg. Thats 1 global. Even without critting they still delete people. You just have a skill issue
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It really isnāt especially when you link Pummeler logs, itās a bottom DPS spec that got a small buff and are still a bottom DPS spec.
Feel free to check log rankings for the fight if you want, itās a small buff that did nothing to make us anymore desirable in the raid.
Wait, are you going to teach me about PvP? Youāre talking to a premade leader in Phase 1 and a group leader in STV, someone who led one of the most successful premades in Classic in a single day. So, are we having a conversation? Having a Paladin and a Warrior in AB is good because they are a little harder to kill, but you seem not to be paying attention. We are not talking about a group here, you headless chicken. This dude, oh my god.
My friend, in a 1 vs 1 scenario, Paladins are not even close to other classes. And if I were to assemble a premade group in AB, I would never substitute a Warrior for a Paladin. Do you know why? Let me tell you now.
Paladin (Retribution):
They can only deal a few hits before their mana is depleted, my friend. They canāt charge before going into combat, then change targets to a healer that is farther away. So, if you have more Warriors, you can switch to targets that are farther away. Paladins will just be survivors because of their bubble. But what you donāt understand is, if you bubble as a Paladin, they will simply change targets to a cloth, so you are literally wrong, my friendā¦
Here is a spoiler for you, the class was designed to be very easy to play and have extremly good defensive abilities. Why they are considered the best frontline in this high damage burst meta is that they have those defensive abilities. This makes them the best PvP frontline in organized PvP - and they are ranked in by the best players in the world as the best frontline - yet you - who have no clue what a frontline is - claim they are bad.
I think we live in two different realities my man, gl with yours.
The warriors on the forum gonna be mad if they see this.
If you think Blizzard is ever going to buff melee enough to catch up to ranged, then you are living in a Fantasy land.
This is never gonna happen, Blizzard just is not gonna do that. Period.
We can hope. But itās just not gonna happen.
I will be happy with what little i get 
Yea you have no clue what you are talking about. A paladin right now can legit 1v1 EVERY class in the game. Absolutely EVERYONE. Even mages, even warlocks, even spriests, even balance druids(if they dont just travel form and gtfo), even enh shamans, even ele shamans, even rogues, warriors not even a question.
If you lose in a 1v1 as a paladin, chances are it was a skill issue and you should learn where your cleanse button is. Mana isnt even an issue, you have enough training wheel mechanics to replenish your mana.
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Guess you got used to p1 when paladins were 1shotting people and were unkillable. So now when you need 3 attacks to kill someone and in between press hoj and bouble, you complain. Sounds more like a skill issue
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Thats not true bro . Because if its none crit. You will jsut hit under 1k if the normal hits hits hard with out crits. So you talking is not true. Look if a paladin gonna delete one its if it crits 4 times then maby it can delete something. So paladin needs 3-4 crits to do it good. But other calss jsut need 1 crit to make a mark. so what you are saying does not making sense. You Should talk with real paladins. Its not about skills to have a crit its about have lucky to have the crits to get the win. Like if the other class loss vs a paladin it means the dude have zero skills or just unlyck because the 3-4 crits hit . So please dont say something you dont know my friend ^^
Fair enough and happy that you enjoy it, and I agree that the melee hill is a steep climb. There are melees on that list that outperform us by quite a big number as well tho.
All good, the only thing I found amusing was the wording of āgigaā buffed.
If none crit? What if the other guy never crits? Are you daft or something?
I thought a +50% to our dmg on that bossā¦ was big. Yes.
Not big enough to catch up to the 800-900 destro warlocks.
But still 50% is 50%
After looking at the logs for each class on that boss.
Why do people say rogue & warrior are bad state?
They both out perform retri by at least 100 dps.
So where did you get that paladin did this in phase 1? Bro i dont know what game you have playing but if you ask every paladin in this game you will not get that answer. So im telling Its not jsut about skills. paladin is very bad there mana on retri is gone in 4-5 spells. They cant even have time to heal them self. you guys are focusing thinking there healing will do something but thats nto ture. paladin needs 3-4 hits crit to do something good while ohter classes need to do it in just one crit
Like have you seen what you typing bro. if paladin does not crit and the other does not crit then the other have more chanse because paladin needs to get crits to make something happen. so they get the odds in there side. Like bro i play paladin adn i have done that long time. and paladin is bad close case. If you loss against a paladin then you have lack of skills or you just unlucky. My friend jsut stop typing youab re making you self stupid right now ^^ with all the respect.
its so fun how you saying i have no clue what im talking about when i litterly know what im talking about.