- Gilded (Aspect) Harbinger Crest - Now obtained from +9 or higher keystones (was higher than +6) and Mythic Nerub-ar Palace.
Why?! What’s the point of this other than stifling progression?!
+8 was nice, we could do them for weeklies and get crests. Shame on them.
So the new 9’s are old 18?. New 10’s are old 20’s?
If 9’s then this will put it out of reach for nearly all. I only heal in M+ and the highes i ever got was a 15 in SL.
Those who buy runs…surprise…will still get them. WoW seems to be all about money these days. Buy tokens…buy runs…buy gear…
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not really sure what this has to do with buying.
Not a fan myself either but your tinfoil can be seen from a kilometer away
Cant do the 9’s to get the crests. NP buy the runs.
Now do you see?
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Who would even pay gold for that? You’d need to buy an absolute stupid amount of runs.
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Are they trying to kill casuals?
its typical blizzard.
nobody wants to run +9 ? well then lets force people into runing it 
bird person from rick and morty would crtainly know how to name this kind of move
its pretty obvoius how much blizzard hates m+ - they desperately try to do it as unfun as possible. all to save their precious raiding which nobody wants to do .
want to solve this blizz ? make raids much much easier. ignore hardcore tryhards - learn lessons from mop remix - people want to feel overpowered and destroy instances - not hit the wall with theri face repeatedly for months .
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short story - yes they really try whatever is possible to stop casuasl from having fun in m+ because they hate m+
they hate that players forved them to bring vp back in game - they hated how players had fun farming +2 for vp and will do evrythign possible to stop players from having fun while gtting stroonger.
and yes this will hit casuals the most - trhards will jsut farm +10 like they do now.
weaker players who dependent on those crests upgrade will be now very hardgated.
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Byebye mythic mogs… 
I dontknow. But this new M+ change has me starting at a level 10. A new M0 is an old M 10. I think that is me done with mythics for good now. I played the M+ scene since BfA and really liked it but i never ever started at 10. I always had to work myself up to a level 10 and only once i was able to slowly work myself up to that pressure was i able to do it. Now i am geting one shotted in M0.
Maybe this is not your type of content then you may say? Yeah, i think so. I am not 20 years old and in my middle 50’s now. Next to no instant reflexes. This game is increasingly being made to cater to younger people.
Yea i moan alot . I know. But i do still play thi s game every once in a while. Now M+ no longer even seems to be a part of my game. I seriously might as well just quit then.
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for me it means im going to drop additonal alt. most likely gonna play only on hunter and prot pala . 1 less tank in que
its kinda crazy how i went from playing 6 tank alts in S1 and S2 of DF to 1 tank alt in next expansion . oh well :0
im kinda ok with it - by the time S2 starts im gonna be focusing on FL / DS raiding in cata classic and then mop classic launch .
retail is more and more dead content to me. shame .
Why do they put gears in mystic dungone ? Do not the players doing them already have it ?
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This is the problem in World of WarCraft , giving too much cat food to the fat cat , feed the starving one . The fat cat has enough food !
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A new 9 is well above a an old 15 and nearer to a old 20. There is not a huge amount of people that can do that. A lot of people say 15’s are easy. For a healer they are not as DPS takes no notice of their health status at all. They dont care about the crap that they stand in or only move once the cast goes off.
I only heal in M+ so that new 9 old 18 is way above my head. Not even going to bother trying.
In any case i have always tried to work my way up the ladder unlike nearly all M+ players who want to get the highest key possible every single week. I would do all 2’s first. Then 3’s if i can see them. Then all 4’s, 5;s and work my way up to the pressure of doign those keys. In BfA i got close to a 15 and burned out of wow at level 14. In SL i got a 15 in Spires. But that took weeks and weeks of doing lower dungeons till i got used to the pace and incoming damage. Now i am expected to jump straight into a 10
Blizzard it seems takes no notice of older people who people who do not rush content. We are marginalised at every corner.
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Its crazy how people just assume things are always whine.Its new expansion folks,nobody knows what the tuneing will be for M+.
+9 might be super easy or as hard as 6s now…
And about the folks that say BLizzard doesnt care about M+ players,give me a break…
All Blizzard care about last 2-3 expansions is M+ players and they make most changes/tunes because of M+.
I mostly play druids. But every single one of them i used to play healer in M+.
I liked playing M+ for the loot, the challenge and going one level higher till you can go any more and top out as skills are lacking.
Ive not even bothered at all in DF S4. Ive done two M0 and saw the hardcore pace that people do even though no clock and the amount of packs they pull when there is no need. So people died. The difficulty is also quite a shock for an M0 all of a sudden.
M0 was just slightly harder than a HC. No problem there. Why ramp it up to a 10 all of a sudden then?
I left a few keys cos of that. There is no clock so wtf is the rush? Did you need to pull 2 huge packs right away before i have full mana and before all DPS are here. ITs like some tanks are running around like a chicken whose head was jsut chopped off. Brainless.
People are doing new 20’s which is what? old 40?
New system is dumb as heck and with it they just lost a fairly experienced healer
s4 and its absurdely overtuned dungeons speaks volumes how tuning in next expansion will look like.
you cant just guess…