C'thun > N'zoth

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N’zoth was supposed to be the calculating one. The calm, composed one.
BFA completely destroyed that myth. He was an angry little boy throwing tantrums.
Yet another generic evil WoW vilain.

The worst part?
Blizzard weren’t even consistent with his character within the same piece of content.

I’m talking about Warbringers: Azshara here.
The video starts with him as a fish, with a very intriguing voice, exactly like you would expect: calm, composed, calculating, mysterious.
And then, in the second half of the video, he reveals himself and gets upset when Azshara refuses his bargain: “NOOOO!!! YOU WILL DIE!!!”

Ridiculous.

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they probably have more big bad boys comming up
and im fine with that but yeah, they did nzoth dirty and pretty stupid killed by a kamehame beam lmao

fel is done. good i was sick of seeing green
same with old god stuff

now, we can have void lords versus naaru expansion or just simple rework of the old azeroth
no more new stupid islands that are populate only for first 2 weeks :slight_smile:

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Im still convinced part of n’zoths concious got sucked into the dagger, after wrathion stabbed him he just went full primal rage mode and didnt talk much after.

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this resource is often used in wow. Just like the “IT CAN’T BE!!!”

It is very childish…

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It’s almost like n’zoth never had personality you described, and in the end blizzard did made him consistent.
Why he’s supposed to be

?

I guess it’s because it was a

Created by community?
From the creators of “fel and light explode when combined” and “void elves can’t be death knights”

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Indeed
The community created many… many false myths that are considered holy for some :roll_eyes:

Most of the descriptions about N’Zoth came from Xal’athath (and keep in mind she is not that… reliable)

“Another seed of corruption planted in death. An unquiet spirit will wander in anger and grow in pain. Easy prey for the God of the Deep” - when refered Elerethe Renferal

Not much about it, a spirit in pain and full of anger is easy prey for N’Zoth. But to be honest I think for everyone else

“Xavius, running from one master to the next, scrambling for power, yet defeated again and again. The God of the Deep picks a poor champion? Or, is there something else at play?” - when facing Xavius

Again, not really tells us much. Either he picked poorly - not a good point for a great deciever - or used Xavius, like everyone elese

“The God of the Deep writhes in his prison, breaking free ever so slowly. You should hurry and defeat the fallen titan… there are greater battles yet to fight.” - in Val’sharah

And again? Nothing. A freed Old God is a problem the Titans had difficulity to handle; then again except one, the Titans personally not really interfered just their Titan-Forged servants and their creations. Pre-programmed barely freewilled constructs against the incarnations of Darkness… not a surprise and not really talks about N’Zoth power or personality

“It was here in ages past that the God of the Deep lost a great battle to the God of Seven Heads. But as was so often the case even defeat ultimately worked in N’zoth’s favor.” - at the Broken Shore

Now maybe, but only maybe this could be interpreted as N’Zoth usually had contingency plans.
A thing usually true for anyone who have more than two braincell and read the Evil Overlord List…

“It is ironic that the weakest of us may be the ultimate victor. C’Thun, Yogg-Saron, Y’Shaarj, and… well. Only one would remain to consume the world, that was always meant to be.” - in the Hall of Glory in the Halls of Valor

Now this is a strange one. We only could assume she was talking about N’Zoth. Considering she was torn apart and according to this, she considered herself equal to the other Old Gods. The place is interesting too that triggers this, the Hall of Glory in the Halls of Valor where N’Zoth… well… not really had a presence. While Xal’atath was there, in the hands of the Priest…
BUT if she was refering to N’Zoth? Then she just only said, N’Zoth was the weakest and it is ironic N’Zoth potentially could be the victor at the end.
Not expected.
Ironic

Aside that, Chronicles tells us N’Zoth was the first of the Old Gods to be defeated and sealed in an underground prison
And after that? N’Zoth next big move was with Azshara and it was, a “I have watched you, I know you want power, yadda yadda yadda… serve me and have power and… what? No? Why? Ohhh… yes, because you are a Queeen. Okay… you have all the cards, here, power, now get to work!” - except she never served N’Zoth, and came out of the bargain the better out the two; she recieved the whole ocean as her domain and her people survived, while N’Zoth… gain a minor influence and tought them Void and Shadow and… made them stronger? The Naga never really were N’Zoth’s army, they were Azshara’s people and army and empire… and Azshara serves ony Azshara. Even to “free” N’Zoth was a trick from her part

The corruption of Andrassil and the Dream, creating the Nightmare wasn’t really N’Zoth’s work, it was Yogg-Saron who gain acces to it and shared it with the others. It was a joint effort.

When the Cataclysm came C’Thun and Yogg-Saron was already “defeated” - as we later learned, beaten back to their dormant state, not killed - and N’Zoth was the only one active, but not really because of his strategies and brillant mind… but because no one really knew N’Zoth even existed and where the Fel was imprisoned. N’Zoth was “free” to do whatever wants untill like the others exposed itself and recieved a slap on the tentacle

When it comes to corruption? N’Zoth corrupted Death Wing - allegedly. In the War of the Ancients Trilogy, “the Old Gods” were collectively implied to be responsible for Deathwing’s corruption. Not just N’Zoth
It was Yogg-Saron who corrupted the Titanic watchers, and planted the Curse of Flesh in the Forge of Wills (and most of the sources claims the Curse of Flesh was Yogg-Saron’s creation

And… thats all
Nothing, literally nothing supports the myth, N’Zoth was a briliant mind and tactican, a clever schemer, the unholy child of Professor Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes and Grand Andmiral Thrawn

N’Zoth was just a weakest of the four (five… or six. Y’Shaarj, N’Zoth, C’Thun, Yogg-Saron, by her own account, Xal’atath… but in the Forbidden Shores, in the book The Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth it is mentioned: "The Pantheon shattered the Old Gods’ citadels and chained the five evil gods far beneath the surface of the world. " - except Y’Shaarj was never chained, Aman’Thul ripped it from Azeroth and tore it apart. And G’Huun never had a citadel, nor even existed at the time (or could be considered an Old God). So… by the lates canon sources we had six Old Gods! ) Old Gods who was lucky no one even knew it existed thus had the opportunity to command the Old God forces during the Cataclysm… and as soon as made its moves, died - really, as basically expected.

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N’zoth is the one who gave us his gift and the only one worthy our servitude.

Sk’shuul agth vorzz N’Zoth naggwa’fssh!!!

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Hm.

I have almost no knowledge of the lore of World of Warcraft, so I learned a few things here, but those won’t impact my enjoyment of the game in any way.

On the other hand, I’m an avid reader, and the post by Zhantharion made me smile : those are barely disguised references to the works of Lovecraft, they switched a couple of letters here and there, mixed the goal of the various Gods around, but those are still plainly the Elder Gods of the Chtuhluh Mythos with copyright-proof names.

And the whole underlying theme of the Lovecraftian Mythos is : don’t try to understand Elder Horrors from Before Time, they don’t have the same scale of thinking as you mortals.

The actions and behaviour of N’zoth described in this thread might seem inconsistent or ridiculous, but it’s still an entity outside of the usual rules of time, space, intellect and logic, with plans within plans within agendas within redundancies.

As another god from another setting is so fond to say : “Just as planned.”

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I’m also convinced it is, and even more after Blizzard made 2 stories about 2 different cases of Splitted souls the expansion just after, like if they had to explain properly that on part of a soul can be dead while the other part is still living.

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Maybe because it’s a video game and 40 year old grown men are not supposed to be playing this game. Have you ever thought about that???

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Well, let’s start, I’m 30, not 40. And if I was 20 I would have thought exactly the same as I do now.

Your opinion is completely absurd.

And where is the age limit? :thinking:

Have you ever stopped to think that most teenagers don’t play world of warcraft, but rather fortnite or similar, or is it too much information for you??

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In context, N’zoth sees itself as a God, a leader of an Empire. To serve N’zoth is to serve greatness itself. The deal first given from that perspective is generous. “Serve me, and we will rebuild my empire”. Azshara is offered a spot as part of N’zoth Empire in good standing. Her saying “no”, is spitting on that offer from a God. That is blasphemy.

Now, more new context, N’zoth has seen and knows the future. He knows through the player and the gift that Azshara will serve him. Going for what he knew, he waited for the time to broach the subject and push it, so to follow the future he has seen come to be. When she says no, N’zoth likely feared that those tenthousands of years of planning, schemeing and opportunity of the future was lost. This would enrage such a being. Instead, N’zoth was probably very pleased that Queen Azshara suggested a new deal, - yet it all fell in with N’zoth overall plan and vision of the future.

We could even speculate that his show of anger was faked - to prompt the queen into thinking she had the upper hand and that through her feeling as such, could accept servitude under another title. If Azshara felt she was being forced, she through her personality would likely rather die than bend her knee. This was the best way for N’zoth to manipulate her into what the Old God wanted.

Arguably it could be. “No?!” (disbelief - this is not what he knew), “You dare?!” (anger, she is going offscript/angering him) “You will die!” (halfway plead, logic, to change her course) Tentacles could be sent not to kill her, but to force her to live. As her living would be necessary.

Now finally, it was for dramatic effect in the cinematic. Magnificent.

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We don’t stop playing because we grow old ; we grow old because we stop playing. - George Bernard Shaw

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