When did I say I enjoy premades? I am a solo player. All I said is, I understand why they do it and sometimes you get great games with them. Sometimes you get great games with randoms too, very rarely tho.
Yeah, okay, what word would be more correct? Supporter?
I guess you could say that, yes.
You’d be surprised how well this works out for me. I am near 80% win rate in epic bgs and never join with more than one group, and even this one group is often not full.
No, raid groups should not be officially allowed, as it would make it the only way to play and put everyone who is not in a full raid group at a disadvantage.
I get where you’re coming from. Consider however that sync premade raids lead to a concentration of power in one team that can be insurmountable for the opponents, which leads to lopsided, boring rounds. Not only boring, but also very frustrating (because unwinnable) for the opponents.
Play within the rules and bring a single group instead, then try to lead randoms.
Yeah, sometimes the randoms will underperform and do stupid stuff, but it’s par for the course. If your victory is assured the moment you enter - like when you enter with a premade raid on your side, there is no game, there is no excitement. One side is going to win by a landslide and the other team doesn’t stand the slightest chance.
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Yeah, I get the citicisms of 10+ premades. I just don’t see them as that big of a problem, tbh. I could live with them. Others can’t. In the end only Blizz themselves can put an end to this debate, I guess. By either stating that it is okay and do nothing, or make it impossible to get synced queues somehow.
Ironically it becomes even worse when they’re not winning by a landslide, often they enjoy watching their opponent wriggle and squirm. Drawing the process out so the other side keeps engaging and offers them amusement.
Like the bully kid scorching ants with the magnifying glass instead of outright squashing them.
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That’s why I have no respect for players like Larkus who needlessly prolong matches in Alterac by farming GYs just to get more HKs when they could easily end the round with a win.
Cheating the queue system to get more players in than is allowed is already lame, but I could still somewhat tolerate it if they at least played like normal people (even though they have a massive unfair advantage). But GY camping in a premade raid when you could easily win is downright disgusting.
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How “normal people” are playing, btw? I just can’t say such words about premades I met. Or is that something from normal bgs?
Imagine the following scenario in Alterac: The Horde, led by a premade raid (Larkus) has pushed the Alliance back to Dun Baldar, taken over every GY, but deliberately left Stormpike GY, where all the Alliance players respawn in the hands of the Alliance because they want to farm them for HKs.
They have complete map control, burned all bunkers, pushed the enemy players far back, but instead of killing Vanndar and ending the game, which they could easily do at this point in time, they hold the enemy team hostage at the GY and farm them for HKs until the Alliance teams reinforcements are depleted to 0.
That’s antisocial degenerate behavior.
A normal person would end the round by killing the boss when they have the chance to do it.
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Yeah we know, you feel the need to mention that almost every post.
Same as your assumption then.
Where do you see my diagnose? I can only base assumptions off behaviour you’re portraying here, so that’s not much to go by and is pretty much what everyone just standard does when encounter other people… And even those I pretty much try to keep to myself… I merely pointed out it was tempting because I personally found it a funny question given my backround…
Anyways back to topic.
I see. I just don’t think, that the killing the boss asap is the way to have fun and what normal people should do, but it looks like I am nearly en exception, that wants that stalemate situation, when both raids standing against each other and there is, well, epic battle…
Prolonging the battle if there was some actual fighting taking place between the teams would also be acceptable for me, this was not that, however.
They basically stood upon the corpses of the alliance at stormpike gy, those who got revived were instantly mowed down within seconds. The flag was deliberately not capped (even though nobody in the alliance team was anticapping).
I couldn’t bear to look at this and capped stormpike GY on purpose and was vehemently flamed for this, then insulted the leader of my team. Ever since then they hate me and I wear it as a badge of honor.
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Yeah, i got it, i met larkus literally a few times, but i knew, that there’s a little fun with him, just as with other premades.
The rule is under your eyes every single day, since you are not allowed to queue with a 5+ group. That can be considered an official rule, otherwise players would be officially allowed to queue with larger groups like Blizzard does during the Korrak’s event.
As for the link:
https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/42673 (scroll down to the voice “Cheating”)
“…engaging in any activity that grants an unfair advantage is considered cheating.”
The fact that Blizzard isn’t properly enforcing their own rules, shouldn’t be considered as tacit approval.
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There is still a logic to this. The opponent can not cap towers or recap theirs while they are getting farmed at graveyards. Usually they instantly kill boss when all towers are almost down, even if there are tickets left. So it is the safest way to make sure you win. Pulling boss and let the enemy team do whatever is always a risk with towers up. Even though the risk is quite low for a 15 man premade with 2 towers down but it it is still there.
Quite a vague rule tbh. And open to interpretation. I mean what about meta speccs? Do I have an unfair advantage by playing them. Oh yes. Does Blizz ban me for it? No. So not cheating obviously. Which is why as long as Blizz is not acting on it it has to be considered okay, imo. Just because you call something cheating based on your interpretation of that rule doesn’t make it so. As I said, only Blizz themselves can settle this dispute based on their interpretation of these rules.
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Yes, I feel the need to mention this fact because people always try to put me in the premade player category which I am not a part of. I am a solo player.
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No, I do not assume. The lack of action from Blizz proves that atm they seem to be fine with premades.
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Yeah, whatever.
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It seems to me that you skipped completely what I wrote first and I’m talking about a limit (5 people) set by Blizzard.
This is not my personal interpretation, these are facts and the rule is clear: you can queue with a group of max 5 people. You might disagree and you are free to do so, but facts are there. Can you show me an official link or Blizzard communication where it is stated that players are allowed to bypass that limit and join a bg with a 20+ man group?
There is a specific reason why Blizzard decided to set that limit and it’s because a full premade would have a clear and undeniable advantage. If you don’t like the word “cheating”, call it as you prefer. However, the final result is that queue sync premades engage in an activity that grants them an unfair advantage.
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Maybe stop queing with lfr gear and 400k hp and people dont feel the need to premade.
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Group of gear capped players vs a bunch of randoms. Yeah, lots of effort! 
Even when gear disparity was almost non existent premading was still rife. People just enjoy bullying. There is 0 reason for it other than seeing a random arbitrary number go up. These people are not doing it for fun, it’s a literal lifestyle. Morning to night. Sad really.
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