Death knight. More like dead knight

Classes Death Knight
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I’ve been a main DK since I started tanking in Legion, with sporadic unholy unrated pvp, so I’m not a pro player nor even close to.

My m+ cap would be +17/18 so again, not really a pro player, but I really enjoyed playing dk even if it wasn’t fotm. Even I do agree unholy/blood felt a bit overpowered in bfa.

But as it stands now I feel like the fun of playing the class still stands but it really goes down the drain once you engage in the game activities.

Unholy feels like a wet paper towel in pvp even with full cooldowns, IBF dmg reduction can barely be felt, AMS gets depleted so fast and AMZ feels useless.
Damage wise outside of unholy frenzy/ apocalypse and when you can actually benefit from the army of the dead before you go down its like you hitting people with a wooden stick.
Death strike healing is a joke and a waste of runic power and GCD when you heal for around 2k and most abilities hit for almost that amount.

I’m really a 1 bg away from stop doing them.

As m+ goes, M0 and up to around 4 it’s fine, when you go up the problems start to show, it literally goes from ‘f@ck I’m dying to ok I’m fine’ every single second, I’m not even going to mention the fact I taunt at the start and my mage friend still takes aggro when bursting, thank God we have two taunts as our damage is literally crap.

Bone shield seems to go down faster than it used to before.

And I don’t even want to start talking about covenant abilities for DK.

I’m quite sad with how DK currently feels, I don’t play frost but I guess it’s the same.

I will start gearing my Kyrian prot pally and possibly ditch my dk for good.

Am I the only one feeling there’s no payback at all for playing dk at this moment?

Rant over I guess.

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initially we though it was a bug with internal CD of bones but it just boils down of us going from 34% parry to 13% so more swings get in.

aggro is an issue on full out bursts but our dmg is being increased (which was low already, not a big issue with aggro but will help)

base armor and mitigation “were” fine because we could generate enough RP and had haste azurites, now we cant DS enough and our base armor is felt because in BFA we lost 15% bonus for blood.
kiting with slow used to be an option but lots of mobs are not affected by it.

i go from 29% to 39% with bones up, and thats it.

stacking versatility like no tomorrow shouldnt be a fix for a baseline kit, given we are also very reliant on haste. my alt paladin has more baseline armor, more with shield buff, more while standing on consecration and generates enough holypower to use more heals that we can spam DS

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No. It is WAY WORSE. Considering latest iterations to both unholy and blood DK this last update, there is small glimmer of hope for frost to be tweaked and actually become at least somewhat more viable, but considering how Blizzard is mistreating us for third expac in a row, my guts tell me that they will leave us as is just like they did in BfA. I would like to be proven wrong.

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So it really goes down faster, good God.

I switched from Rune of the fallen to Stone for the 5% armor and I think it made it a little easier for tanking, but as it stands I will sadly ditch my boi.

Ye, I would imagine that was the case. I’m not a fan of frost so I really couldn’t say how it currently plays.

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Whilst i agree about the death strike healing (which it could be buffed for sure) i completely disagree about most the rest - Our damage output is absolutely crazy in battlegrounds/Arena and it will still be top tier even after the mastery nerf. If you’re struggling with surviving , just take the AMS legendary which will help out a lot. I hit 1800 yesterday no problem in 3’s, will push further at some point, or go Necrolord because those covenant abilities are dope (fleshcraft for survival and abomination limb for insane aoe).

Hope this helps.

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Don’t get me wrong, I don’t play arena I mostly do bgs for fun while bored of everything else. I’m usually top 3 overall in bgs, but it doesn’t feel so while fighting. Damage isn’t that good when melees eat you for lunch.

Covenant wise, I shouldn’t be forced to choose one based on how OP they are, and blizz failed to provide that as they said they would.

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Sorry - Should have responded on my DK not mage.

Yeah i get you but against melee’s you could try taking clawing shadow’s as that talent is insane, can kite/still wail on them whilst our pets eat them up. I personally love how unholy feels currently.

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UH is top 3 PvE spec right now.

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Honestly, Dead knight is not far off when it comes to tanking raids. Unless you have a personal healer for the entire fight it’s SO hard to tank certain bosses.

Altimor hits me (with full bone stacks) for 25k, you can’t keep up with the runic power generation to even try and keep yourself alive. And that’s just Altimor.

It’s nice that blood got some well deserved damage buffs but imho they need to buff our armor values or something meaningful that can drop those 24k hits down to 16k-ish.

Tank swapping at the moment, even when you’ve pooled an entire runic power bar is scary af. Full on panic mode whenever you hit that tauntbutton and giving my healers 50 heart attacks during a raid night.

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Frost feels like somewhat like, “if you don’t want to be a burden to your groups, you should just reroll to either to another class or UH, because even after the 20% mastery nerf, if you pick the worst covenant and conduits and soulbinds for UH, it will still outperform frost by a huge amount”, this. Which will most likely stay like this, because a few hours from now the hotfix will be on the US servers and its very unlikely that they are going to change stuff after that.

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To clarify before I post, I’m not an amazing player by any stretch of the imagination, but I consider myself to be - usually - competitive in terms of DPS in pug environments, or at least in regards to my performance in SL so far and prior expansions.

I actually felt somewhat okay once I had hit 60 and started to get some gear (around Heroic dungeon gear, maybe - somewhere about then), but now that I’ve started to do a few +5/+6 keys (really not rushing atm), I’ve felt a gradual but obvious drop-off in my ability to keep up with some of the more competitive classes now in terms of DPS, regardless of how hard I’m trying to output my best damage possible. I do still top meters at times, yes, but certainly not as often.

It’s really starting to prove challenging to not end up as the bottom of the three DPS in my groups, and while I (personally) don’t think the spec is utterly abysmal (looking at you Assassination / Fury - rest in peace), it’s very obviously not in the best of spots. It’s unfortunate to see, per the analytics provided by Wowhead today following the first week of Nathria testing, that there’s such a vast discrepancy between Unholy and Frost, with the former at the #1 spot whilst Frost is sitting at #18 out of 24 (and is the fourth least represented class in said Nathria testing). I find it to be a little mind-boggling that two specs of the same class perform so drastically differently.

I admittedly don’t have much to put forward in terms of suggestions at the moment (it’s just about half 3 in the morning, oops), but I do really hope that as one of the evident underperformers currently, Blizzard do take the time to properly look through the specs holding up the rear - not just Frost - and do what’s obviously due in terms of respective buffs. It’s really, really unfortunate to see so many people sold on the return of 2H Frost in the belief that it’d at least be given a chance only to see it lagging behind at the very beginning of the expansion

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I think the only way to make frost relevant would be a flat 10-15% damage increase on all abilities.

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and yet here we are, despite all the dumb discord simps in beta telling us were fine, the october nerfs before prepatch was good infact, balance is important to blizzard… what a bunch of clowns, true carnival going on over there, one of pain and bias

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Guess frost got the holy priest treatment:
“You can go disc, so why fix holy?”

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Bone Stacks are just broken right now, they drop way too fast.

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Another week without TOP legendarie. RIP.

P.S. After nerfs my Mastery fall down from 27.8% to 21.5% and i was low mastery, GL to u guys who focused on mastery stack. :smiley:

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