[Defiler's Scourgestone] Items

[Bagshot-gehennas]

Compared to gamma and beta items, we have a lack of value on the items, so for example a shield with a level 245 item purchased with 25x [Sidereal Essence] material is equal to another shield with the same level item purchased with [Defiler’s Scourgestone] can be bought 50x. Note that the criterion for most players to buy an item is the level of that item. It is clear that with less material, it is cheaper to buy the first item that can be obtained with essence. This is an example of a problem to items in the gamma’s npc.

[Getoffmylan-mirage-raceway]

@Bagshot-gehennas

Note that the criterion for most players to buy an item is the level of that item.

If you’re just buying things with a higher ilvl, you’re doing it wrong. Thats what you do in retail, here you look at stats.

[Cupìd-mirage-raceway]

Dont tell him that he will get confused

[Daigar-gehennas]

Sidereal Essence only drops from the final boss of a dungeon, while Defiler’s Scourgestones drop from each boss. That means, you get an average 1 Sidereal Essence per dungeon and 4 Scourgestones. The two items you mentioned would then only be of equal price if the Defiler Scourgestone item cost 100. You can also look at it this way: Scourgestones have double the purchasing power of Sidereals.

[Zalanji-mirage-raceway]

@Daigar-gehennas

Sidereal Essence only drops from the final boss of a dungeon, while Defiler’s Scourgestones drop from each boss. That means, you get an average 1 Sidereal Essence per dungeon and 4 Scourgestones. The two items you mentioned would then only be of equal price if the Defiler Scourgestone item cost 100. You can also look at it this way: Scourgestones have double the purchasing power of Sidereals.

You do realize you can convert scourgestones to sidereals on a 1 per 1 basis right?

[Bagshot-gehennas]

Like you didn’t realize that you can get it by hitting gamma bosses, then convert it to size 25 and get a level 245 item instead of spending 50 on it.

[Черница-flamegor]

Care to elaborate plz.

[Aeula-argent-dawn (Aeula)]

Yeah it’s weird. I went and got the Sideral sword over the scourgestone axe cus of it. Same ilvl. Equal stats (Despite what people in this thread are saying item level takes over stats around Ulduar. Only the ilvl 200 stuff has misleading stats). Sword cost half as much. (“Downgrading” Scourgestones to Sideral ofc).

[Meowli-stitches]

@Getoffmylan-mirage-raceway

If you’re just buying things with a higher ilvl, you’re doing it wrong. Thats what you do in retail, here you look at stats.

Actually, shield with 25 essence is better than one that costs 50 scourgestones. So his point stands, no reason to buy 50 scourgestone one if you aren’t building block value build.

[Nikkyblond-firemaw]

Well Soul preserver. An item that drops from CoS normal is still BiS for Holy paladins in ICC.

They can not budget stuff based on what is BiS/Good and not.

[Garlor-blackhand]

@Aeula-argent-dawn

Despite what people in this thread are saying item level takes over stats around Ulduar.

Wrong. Many Specs had BIS items from Ulduar while PDC Had higher itemlevel items available.

For ICC its true, but that doesnt matter for this topic.

[Nibbs-malganis]

@Garlor-blackhand

Wrong. Many Specs had BIS items from Ulduar while PDC Had higher itemlevel items available.

This was only the case in rare constellations where one stat is close to useless while another one is highly desirable (mostly healer items that lack haste in togc). The regular case was rings/trinkets where you dont get 2 new ones from togc 25.

[Черница-flamegor]

Also 200ilvl relic, and meteorite shard that is only 239 ilvl. 3 of these pieces are really bringing average ilvl and GS down for holy paladins.

[Shivette-earthshaker]

@Getoffmylan-mirage-raceway

If you’re just buying things with a higher ilvl, you’re doing it wrong. Thats what you do in retail, here you look at stats.

The community encourages players to do exactly that. Everyone is so obsessed with gearscore you’re just griefing yourself by using better items with a lower GS. Being a good player, gearing efficiently and all that is for suckers. Smart players pad gearscore and pay for a boost to get the achievement.

[Nicolay-earthshaker]

@Черница-flamegor

Also 200ilvl relic, and meteorite shard that is only 239 ilvl. 3 of these pieces are really bringing average ilvl and GS down for holy paladins.

Yeah, but holy paladins get +1000gs by virtue of being best healers in the game. If a raid needs tank healing, a 4700 holy paladin would be taken over 5700 shaman or druid.