I agree with this statement, but this only works if M+ is on-par on difficulty to Delves.
And currently it is not. And this creates a TON of friction in both communities, and makes everyone unhappy.
Therefore. Blizzard has two options in my view :
(A) Lower the bar for gear acquisition of M+.
(B) Increase the bar for gear acquisition of Delves.
And they have to do something SOON. REAL soon. Not next season.
If I had to choose. I would rather choose option (A). Specifically because M+ is a strictly group play mode. And you need a minimum amount of people to make it work. Delves on the other-hand, is not a strictly group play mode. So you donāt need volumes of people.
And yeahā¦ Delvers will have to do some M+ now and then to upgrade their gear. But since a perfect solution is not possible, I find its a fair compromise.
The friction is all one sided. M+ players donāt want Delver having nice loot. Delvers and their nice loot arenāt concerned with restricting the flow of loot.
Iāll go on record and say, I support nice loot for all game modes and all players.
As an M+ player i am all fine with delves-loot. It is more about the initial part where you want to get full herotrack geared where delves overlap with M+ in the vault. Delves themselves reward champion gear, outside of those very rare maps that often rewards items for the same slot anyway. I hardly care about delves for my M+ char.
You was the general you. Not you as individual. My english is crap. Should i have used āpeopleā instead of āyouā?
You generalized M+ players. So i felt the need to respond, as an M+ player. Since it was 100% not true what you wrote.
Me as an M+ player canāt care at all what loot delvers get.
The point still stands, why are you concerned with what other people want? What difference does it make if people who only play Delvers get Hero gear easily? They wouldnāt play M+ to begin with.
How is gearing so fast when loot is RNG and trinkets trinkets and trinkets lolā¦ There is what 15 slots and 4 chances a weekā¦ 50% being trinkets If delves had set loot then maybe I could see this fast gearing. besides come the next major patch the gear is obsoleteā¦ I think ppl get too hung up on gear and how ppl get it.
And you ignore everything. Trying to nit pick and assume things or changing context and putting words in my mouth while they are even explained in the other sentences.
Itās going to be different from player to player, depending on luck.
But if I compare how fast Iāve been earning gear in the first 3 weeks of the season with how fast I was earning it in previous expansions, itās literally night and day.
Fair enough. Iām not seeing any crying from Delvers about how players from other modes donāt deserve loot. Iām seeing tons from M+ players though. People withholding loot like it is necessary for their IRL survival.
He doesnāt understand we do not give a damn about other players and how they play or where they get their gear.
We care about how we get our own gear. And in the first weeks it was more beneficial to run delves than M+. Also for by far the most M+ players the best vault option is coming from delves. So we care about our own gear and we āhave to do delves t8ā. But from the moment you got your herotrack gear thereās nothing to obtain anymore from delves.
This isnāt true. You, as Tsjoh, indeed may not care since you are more in for your own personal progress and fun with your friends and guildies. But others have explicitly stated that they absolutely do care that Delves reward too good equipment for their difficulty and time investment in comparison to the other avenues, and want it to be nerfed.
They want it to be nerfed otherwise they have to run delves instead of M+, which is indeed way way way harder than a delve. They care about their own gear. Not about the gear solo delve players get. They want it to be nerfed so they do not feel forced to run delves. For themselves. With their own time investement.
I personally am fine with the current lootsystem for delves, indeed. People should not generalize and speak for all M+ players.
When people do that and it is nonsense for me as an M+ player, i am allowed to respond.
And raids is harder than 5 mansā¦ so remove M+ gear aswellā¦ I do fine this gatekeeping funnyā¦ No1 is forcing you do do delvesā¦ thatās a you problemā¦ same way Iām not forced to do M+ or raidsā¦ So I donāt.
you cant say that you give a damn in a world where the 3 modes are not complelty separated.
if dvelve gear acted like pvp gear - aka only scaled in dvelves ? then sure.
lets say hero gear from dvelves scales in dveles to 626 but in other modes its hard capped at like 600 itlv ? then sure hwat you say makes perfect sense.
and maybe this is the way to go about it in long run .
If delves had set loot then maybe I could see this fast gearing. besides come the next major patch the gear is obsoleteā¦ I think ppl get too hung up on gear and how ppl get it.