Hard disagree that they’re worse than Torghast, but I do find them incredibly dull and boring. At least I don’t have to do them weekly. Once they become obsolete for gearing purposes, I won’t have to touch them.
Try to do it on healer, brann dps one mob 20 mins and you have to heal him
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MALFURIOOONNNN WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUU MY loooooooooove
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But… you still HAVE to do the objectives? You can’t skip them. The means to the end is different, there is, also different ways to do Delves?
You can sap and stealth through it, you can giga pull, one at a time etc.
So, I see no difference of:
Objective: Free the webbed people
Strategy: different ways
Objective: Capture the flag
Strategy: Different ways
What is the script? Objectives? It seems what you call “strategy” in one aspect is what you call “objective” in the other.
So please clarify.
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Delves are torghast but significantly better.
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Don’t worry about that brann will pull everything for you.
I did the same delve 3 times today, and everytime it felt the same. Kill 5 things collect 7 things. It’s just glorified questing inside torghast.
Not a single bg I’ve been in felt the same as the previous one, enemy players just do different things my team also does different things. In delves it’s the same thing all the time.
Hard disagree. delves make islands and torghast look like heaven.
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Torghast wasn’t exactly free range either with a timer and a scoring system judging you. Forcing you to rush and clear it in a specific manner. You couldn’t just wander around and explore and bypass certain mobs or areas. Later on with high gear you probably could roflstomp it and almost ignore the timer and scores but at first these were just as constraining (or more).
Not to mention you had to do it for your Legendaries.
Again… The objective isn’t different… Every BG objective is the same…
But… You’re trying to argue that REAL PEOPLE behave differently from each other and the AI NPCs don’t ? xD Don’t you think, this is an obvious take?
How so? What was the difference in Islands where you just had 1 tank pull everything and 2 AOE dps burn down the mobs, rinse and repeat?
I feel like you’re just expecting a PVE solo mode to give you the same feeling of a PVP game mode
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You could finish and island just picking up azerite or do quests or kill the enemy faction
In delves you gotta do the quests to finish it there is no other way around it.
Exactly objectives are only bad in pve because they take the freedom and mystery out of it, so you shouldn’t compare it, That’s why I compare delves with torghast you are the one who brought up bgs. L
You did the 5 star once and you never did it again and only completed for the soulash.
So the objective was to collect points, the strategy was different. Good, then we still agree. Objective is: To complete you must have more points than enemy team, how you get it is the strategy 
Yes… And they are alike… Multiple people tell you this and you still go “No! In Thorgast I could skip mobs therefor not the same!!” when you can do exactly the same in Delves. L.
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You can’t be defending delves like this, you literally said pulling more mobs instead of a few is strategy. While most of the time you don’t even have the choice since brann pulls everything in the 100 meter proximity.
Above you said you cannot compare players with ai bots, just hold the L It’s okay. by your own words you have contradicted yourself.
And you said collecting azerite is one?.. Like what…
Oh but when your Thorgast companions did so, it was okay? You see your own inconsistency?
I literally in that sentence say “Thorgast” where do i compare AI with people in what you quote? Do you want me to spell things out even more or?
They do… So saying “Delves are scripted” as to why they are bad is next level, sorry say… dumb… xD
But me comparing delves to Thorgast (In that you quoted) is not comparing AI to humans Nice L to take huh?
You could choose to have one or not, can you choose with brann? no he is always with you, Do you even play the game? L
They are bad because both islands and torghast had more freedom to it, you don’t play the game it’s okay not to know.
Different ways to collect azerite yes.
Like you are just embarrassing yourself at this point stop
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But… But… They are not meant to replace each other… :') Like holy damn.
Your whole argument is “Thorgast was better because you could skip mobs!!” Like come on, you can do better <3
No not really… You just seem to not be able to comprehend the difference between Objective and Strategy But it’s okay, reading comprehension is not everyones strong suit <3
Now that you lost the arguement in an embarrassing fashion you result to insults. Real mature bud.
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No not really. You’re the one calling me embarrassing, and “giving me Ls”, but when I call out your lack of reading comprehensions, I lost the argument? :') Convenient <3
And raids… aren’t?
“Enter raid > clear trash > fight boss > loot > repeat from step 2.”
It’s the nature of the PvE beast for encounters to be scripted.
My issue with Delves right now, is the trivial difficulty. Then again we’re locked in at tier 3 out of 11, with the top of the ladder supposedly being just short of Mage Tower levels of challenge, so I’ll wait and see how that shakes out when the time comes.
I never compared it to raids.
Raids and dungeons are horrible if they weren’t I would do them.
Torghast was pretty much an on-rails experience too though. The major variety came from the RNG of powers you’d get in there, and I’d argue that I much prefer having control over our companion NPCs role and abilities than rolling the dice.
It was also mandatory to meaningfully progress in the game at all, which is an instant interest-killer in my books.
Yeah sure that was bad I think most people agree with that, My thing is purely gameplay. I did the same delve 3 times and all those 3 times it was the same experience kill 10 things collect 8 things. It wasn’t like this in torghast nor the islands.