Is demo going to get some tuning with the other specs and classes too or is it fine and not overtuned after ptr
Personally I keep getting fustrated on hit 6min enrage and die bosses on 35% after manage cringe overlapping mechanics that seem to have some rng elements on order and then theres all the awkwardness of runes that go off somewhere under ground or just not showing and even when u able get trough all that u still have that 6min enrage timer
So either the bosses are completely overbuffed by hp% since ptr or all this movement and awkwardness of the whole overlapping mechanics and random orders are just too much and us most mobile classes in the game are not able to dps so well while running back to back spawning runes and doging valkyries fly from walls while boss suddenly also decides its time to call help from the ancestors and other one starts yell about blood too 
And I know there is classes whose towers are a joke so why do this to demo lock why overtune it from ptr, aint it enough that the whole expansion been a joke balance wise on every other aspect example warriors who can just farm with their foreheads rolling their keyboards with very little tought on what they are doing or understanding of the whole game just to mention few of the balance issues of shadowlands
Do we really also have to make something thats just meant as fun and transmog and not a power gain also this completely unbalanced and poorly designed trash that whole shadowlands has already been
Happy xmas to the team btw and hope u enjoy ur eggnogs
I would like to add that who ever decided this tower needed buffing from ptr was under the influence of some spirits 100%. Were alrdy attempting the challenges without our borrowed powers or the effects of our legos so it just feels cringe and mega antifun if u have to wither down a boss with 300% more hp with these gutted state of timewalking situations already
Just adding more hp or dmg to enemies is historically imo the most boring and anticreative way of add challenge in any game btw I honestly rather do something on normal than get bored do the exact same thing on “added difficulty of 300% more hp” where doing same thing takes 10min instead of 3min, just a tought
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I’d also think it’s a bit overtuned, just remove the hp by 20%. This should help a lot of player.
I also think that Affliction would be better in this fight than demo. Demo could be good in the destruction mage tower version, maybe even in the Affliction because of the heavy ST dmg he can deal.
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I feel your pain. I finally got demo one down yesterday after 50 attempts. I felt both aff and destro are way overtuned and being able to only complete aff with ID cheese is not optimal.
I can try to give you some tricks that certainly made my kill a lot better.
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Have focus macro’s on fear and mortal coil and make sure Sigrid is your focus, that way you can react pretty fast, when she starts to cast her spell.
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Most guides don’t use it, but I picked Bilescourge Bombers, and on my kill, it did almost as much damage as doom. Very strong aoe pick, especially if you can stack them up.
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I don’t know if you are the person who hunts for old gear. Personally after a fair amount of wipes i got tired of it, crafted a pandaria pvp set and put in int gems. Don’t know how much a boost it was, but one item I think is worth the hassle, is the trinket from Shadow-Lord Iskar (https://www.wowhead.com/item=124229/unblinking-gaze-of-sethe?bonus=1801) that thing is busted and does insane damage with scaling. On my kill it did 19.8k, the same as my wild imps.
Also, old gear does give you acces to some strong enchants. Especially machinist brilliance, which can be used on heirloom weapons, has a strong buff and high uptime.
Other than that, a lot of it really comes down to luck regarding how abilities overlap and where runes/valkyr spawn. I can copy-paste the macro’s i used if you are interested.
I don’t think the problem is the abilities and overlapping, it is the dps requirement because of the enrage timer. Blizzard just needs to remove it, then it is really skill based and not gear dependent.
The you just have to survive long enough.
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It is 100% just dps/gear check cos of the enrage which makes this very boring achievement even if u finish it
I just want the transmog so im thinking alternatives with affli or destro soon as this is just stupid even if u make it as demo, very antifun and check of persons will how much he willing to put on farm old gear to complete this dps check on overtuned bosses that we have to fight without our current expansions borrowed powers and the actual design of our current class etc overal it is just very dumb decision to overtune this with this in mind
Farming old content gear or pouring half mil gold on it dont increase the fun or skill sadly it just makes this even more boring right now even if finish it
best I can get right now is just 20% on jarl and the 6min enrage kicks in and im doing something 700-800dps with my gear and gems and full consumables I cannot pull the 1.2k dps u see in videos of people with full stacked gear for this im on 25% haste and 17% mastery 29% vers and theyre like 35% haste 35% mastery 20% crit and then they maintain 1.2k dps trough the whole fight, hardly to do with skill just farmed timewalking set and bought bunch of nuggets for it
hugely dissapointed on this and blizzard in general
happy xmas and help urself to more eggnogs please
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I started doing Affliction on Monday, so have problems with the nightmare spawn. But if I get a hold on it, I will have the set. But my inner demon wants me to defeat the demo fight.
But I think the demo fight is designed for Legion demo this playstyle doesn’t exist anymore, it would be better to switch the encounter for demo and Affliction. Demo would be better in this more single target fight than Affliction, but best would be destruction. And destruction would also be better in the demo fight than demo…
You can maintain ~1.2k dps on pvp gear if u kick the caster right from start and stack them over jarl with drums and int pot and u can keep it till u have to start run first runes and bit rng with how valkyries position how much they make u run for the hole
It is a very movement heavy fight for a demolock and by the overlaping mechanics phase ur dps has dropped around 730-850 depending how much luck u get with positioning and how much ure forced to move, movement on this fight is life but also death with the 6min enrage timer in mind and how much movement will hurt demo dps
I think this would be more doable and less gear/rng dependant if enrage timer were say 8min or just removed entirely as it doesnt make much sense anyways like this with the buffed hp on bosses since ptr. Just very weird decisions and awkward implementation on blizzards end, doesnt make sense to me but maybe there really is people with intelligent tought processes working at blizz and their decisions have more reasoning behind than just “lets buff boss 300%” example
Maybe they really are intelligent beings and not drunk from all the eggnogs while making these decisions for the game we are paying for and like some of us enjoyed investing our time and money on since it started 05 vanil. My sincerest hope is there is more behind decisions tuning wise on this game than say some drunken guys whim “lets buff boss 300% this will increase difficulty” and then thats how we get it to live with zero other tought put behind it or how it would play in the grander bigger picture of things enrage timer on 6min example
ggs
Maybe they buffed it because its patch 9.2 and the stat increase we are getting. I guess the next time Legion Timewalking is coming the mage tower will be cleared by everybody.
I’m gonna try Demo later tonight but the destro one, which i already completed, needs a 20% nerf to the boss’ hp at least. it’s so boring and long.
edit: done it but it felt so cheap? idk.
i remember i hated this in legion too, many mechanics happening at the same time and nothing felt important because there was just SO much of it.
after spending around 25k a night on this and running low on gold i laughed thinking if next is buying token to play mage tower
It rised up a question tho. Did blizzard do this to sell more tokens?
Is the whole decision on go overboard with tuning of this tower after ptr just to squeeze more money out of this game like they arent already getting plenty with how many people are buying boosts for everything left and right just pouring down their cash on tokens like idiots
In the end blizzard just designed another gear challenge, like always. They never know how to tune properly. I mean why is it ruined that only m+ gear from SL has a easy time, it’s they would have tuned it on heroic gear.
How, your gear will be set to 50 ilvl no matter what gear you have unless ilvl is lower than 50.
Don’t know how it works, but I tested it in the Affliction mage Tower. With SL pvp gear I did 200-300 less dps, as work a bfa/,Legion gear.
Problem of demo lies way deeper than just pure dps and HP of the boss. If you will go to mage tower in PvP gear, you will have a heavy versa set up, that won’t give you enough DPS because in MT the only build you can run is Tyrant one.
In legion we had all those borrowed powers/systems. RN we just have our class and gear that isn’t designed very well without covenants/soulbinds/conduits/legos. Plus as demo RN we do not have some good abilities that blizz took from us in BFA - like demonwrath or baseline doom. And with baseline doom we had in legion several good talents that could modify it making it better.
With the same stat disposition on your gear? Same percentage?
Of course not I switched to haste mastery instead of haste versatility. But versatility should be stronger in timewalking mode, so pvp players don’t need to farm PvE gear.
You can use 47-48 ilvl gears with sockets (sockets in almost all pieces and on certain ones 2x or 3x sockets) and have better main and secondary stats overall.
Some Dest guy had like 45% haste on reddit. Someone else with fully socketed gear did the Aff challange in 3~ minutes. Dude took the guy in the middle to almost 50% in the 1st go. Which is insane to me.
That’s ridiculous, I’m still not able to do it. It drives me crazy, I want that mogg. Don’t care how I obtain it. I farmed the normal tomb of sargeras for the red set, but I want to replace it with the mage tower set.
I even tried affli, but I want to complete the demo Version. Blizzard just needs to remove the enrage timer
Give me your discord. I willl help you get it for the Destruction challange.
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Booskaboo#6015 is my discord. With Destruction I had the problem of missing the abilities that gab kill you. Lost track of the casts.
Edit: thanks for the help.