Thanks blizz!
Bad synergy for double leggo, worst set bonuses ever.
It’s great while others’ dps is doubled with 4 set, DHs gain borderline nothing.
Veng set is a joke. Gratz, i hope you fire all your devs/designers for this.
greetings stormpose u know this fracture spell on dh veng about spirit bomb u using sigil one ground because this page follow the steps tell u what to do Vengeance Demon Hunter Tank Talents & Build Guide - Shadowlands 9.2 - Guides - Wowhead
Ah yes. Here comes the LFR champion.
If you ever manage to get into a higher key or hc/M raid, please check the damage of the current tank specs.
If you do so and still need help comparing numbers, hit me up!
He’s being kind and trying to offer help. How does he know your exp etc? Toxicity will get you nowhere.
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Nowadays DH is a very high competitive tank that you can use in high keys (just need to see the raider io ranking higher keys). Another thing is that you don’t know how to use it and don’t do any harm or can’t survive to a high key. I’m now equipping my DH tank 248 doing +15 with an overall of 8-9k damage without tier.
I don’t understand your point of view, moreover, considering that DH dps is also one of the top m+ dps and in raid also has a very good damage.
lets be honest havoc 4 set is the worst in the game and only going to get worst as time goes on bosses will die faster in raids meaning if you could get 2 metas out in a kill now you will only get 1 out and it will just be coming off cd its really bad, also synergy for double leggo forced to play with brand if you need to add swap in a fight or cant keep 100% up time on you brand might aswell be dead on the floor.
Now for vengeance spec yes you can push pretty high keys and do ok dps aswell but tbh its hard work when you look at a pally tank and all the cds bubble bop bos spot healing with wog seen a youtube vid 4 dps and a pally tank clear a 20 mist in time not seen any dh doing anything near that also they have interrupts for days like hell cant even use chaos nova as a dh tank or blur why not give a little more to play with when others have got crazy utility like that ??
Demon hunters are good actualy and doing very good dps, no idea what are you talking about, i did many raids, m+, and played agains DH in pvp too. They are good in every aspect.
Not the worst, no. Unexciting because it doesn’t lead to talent or rotation changes, but the 2p is a decent buff and the 4p is reasonable (although I’d personally like a bigger CD reduction so I can sync meta with the big CDs of the vengeance and bear tanks I usually play with).
Pally tank + 4 dps groups isn’t a new thing. I know people who were doing 20+ keys with that setup in 9.1, and probably before. It relies on the tank being able to off-heal, at least one of the dps being able to off-heal, as well as most/all of the dps having strong self-healing. Just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s easy, and it’s a novelty, fun thing for the people who do it. It’s also limited to keys where the tank is able to stay alive without externals from the healer so it won’t become the meta for high keys.
Regardless, considering that vengeance was the meta tank in 9.0 and no other tank could come near its ability to push high keys, it’s perfectly reasonable that other tank classes get their turn at being the best performers.
What to see in io? In top 100 tanks you have only 6 dhs. Sometimes you are talking just not to sleep.
Compare DH with druid, DKs, and Pallys. Neither survivability, neither dps is there.
Very competitive indeed 6%, hope you dont do data analysis or something with math. Despite the fact that this is basic 4th grade math.
DH as dps is good, but it is not as good as warlocks, rogs, mages, warriors, and hunters. It is not considered meta class at the moment. DPS wise I can say we offer sustain decent to high ST dps. AOE wise we are off. Not that ouw AOE is bad just number are exactly what statistics say - middle.
Right now there are 12 DH tanks in top the top 100.
As per damage comparison. DH outshines Fury hardcore in Raiding (DH 9 vs Fury 19) and is barely barely barely behind Fury in M+ (DH10 vs Fury8).
I dont see your point in DH bieing weak, they are overall a far more adaptive and stronger class than Fury atm, let alone Arms (omg).
The only reason Fury even gets to play this game is because of the utility (that again DH has plenty of aswell)…
If you think DH is bad then Shadow Priest would like a word with you.
You’re a lost soul really, enjoy your life.
Responding like this to someone trying to help you shows your true self: a butthole.
Veng set is sh*t? Dh overall bad? Calling people that want to help you lfr champions?
Just read a guide ngl…
Veng is totally fine in m+ and sure the set lacks on ST but even there it is okay.
So if u feel like its terrible might as well be a lack of …
For havoc the 2set is fine, 4set is meh and could have been better/get a buff but its not as terrible as some pretend it to be. Havoc isnt S-Tier atm but its also far from being bad
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Ok not going to fight over last place here the 4 set is pretty crap now and going to get worst with time as i said its just true might be 2nd 3rd or 4th worst but its bad. Brand and being forced to play venthyr is so bad as dps not fun to press not fun to manage and maintain trying to keep up time on as i said you target swap to a add around a room your done brand comes off and you do no dps it feels sooo bad to play i wish night fae and the hunt was a option but the dps difference is huge.
As for the pally tank and 4 dps i know is not going to become a meta thing but its a fun thing to be able too do and you said its a novelty having lay on hands being able to spot heal a dps from 1hp to max thats a novelty being able to bop the stacking up in the mail room boss in streets a novelty if there all just novelty lets get them out of the game because not aloud to have fun right???
Vengeance being the meta tank in 9.0 oh sorry coz kiting mobs for days as a tank is just sooooo much fun.
I am sorry if i come across abit hard but Havoc wise deffo could be in a better place the play style isnt fun and tank wise i wouldn’t say no to some of that novelty fun stuff ether.
Good, because there are plenty of tier sets that actually perform badly. Havoc’s is mostly just unexciting.
I find brand one of the most exciting covenant abilities in itself, especially if the tank pulls round my meta. What I don’t like is that the covenant legendary forces us into the mindless blind fury-demonic build. The hunt is… meh. It’s just a button to press when it comes off CD. Of all the abilities, I find the necro one the most fun.
Why does your brand come off? As long as you chaos strike the other add, your eyebeam CD continues to be reduced, then you just position yourself so your eyebeam hits both (or turn it on the boss to keep brand ticking, then go back to the add). And you only need to extend twice before brand is back off CD. Using CA legendary, you don’t get a long gap even if it drops off.
Yeah, it is. It’s great fun. I love it (but my friends don’t need me tanking, and tanking pugs is akin to having your teeth extracted without anaesthetic, so I’m just dps at the moment). For me, vengeance is the most fun tank to play.
And actually, there’s a strong argument for its ability to kite not being the reason the top M+ groups used vengeance in 9.0. Its meta status had at least as much to do with havoc’s weakness combined with balance druid’s strength. They stacked boomkins and needed a DH to buff their damage.
I agree. I was probably one of the last to give up playing momentum-essence break, which is the most fun playstyle (for me) of any class in WoW. I only play havoc now because my raid needs the chaos brand.
But the change of build away from momentum has absolutely nothing to do with the tier set. It’s entirely driven by double legendaries.
Havoc is in a boring state at the moment. You can do well as havoc for sure, but it’s not very exciting and although you do have utility it’s just not very impactful (AoE stun is nice though and darkness on spirits in DoS is OP).
Tbh the whole “keep dots up” for dh in 9.x is really getting annoying.
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