He dont agree with DH = He troll.
All must agree with DH = Otherwise crybabies.
I just hope they are brought in line and nerfed. If not I’ll just reroll one and join the clown fiesta.
Yes. All of you complaining how faceroll and OP DHs are should just create one - then come back and post here when you are Gladiator rank.
That will prove all these DH that you were right. Can you please do that?
So all the classes that dont get to glad are hard to play right?
So rog is easy to play because it gets to glad rank, right?
Im trying to “decode” your logic.
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No. It’s about the combination of “faceroll” and “OP” which should generate a high amount of DHs at high rankings.
I’m just giving you a chance to prove all these people you have been arguing with that they are wrong.
Let’s say a video of you pwning people at 2k rating instead. No need to get Gladiator. Will that do?
I understand that in your disposition you spew out the gladiator nonsese followed by me reaching 2k.
But ill tell you as i play pve, i do other things you never had the chance to do with your 123 class 
I’m simply trying to make you prove your point properly.
But now you’re saying that a DH is incapable of doing the PvE content that you do? So… they are not OP at all or…?
If you are going to enter a class forum and claim that X can faceroll their way to the top of the charts then you better backup your claim.
What I play or what content I enjoy has nothing to do with this (I really like Monk for example).
If we take some PvE as an example:
DH is really strong in M+ (closely trailing Fire Mage and Outlaw Rogue). Their strength is mainly their ability to cleave and AoE.
Shadowlands (which this thread is really about) will bring a cap of 5 targets to said DH abilities, which will bring them in par with the other classes.
So, not much to complain about there.
Im pretty sure in the continuation of this conversation you will try to convince me DH needs buffs beacuse not stronk enough.
You picked the one and only aspect of the game 3v3 that DH is not topping to make an invalid arguement. Yes they are not shining in 10m bosses, just 2 but still its a class you mostly have at least one.
I dont need to backup any argument because there is 0 argument here, as said before you bought up the one place that dh is not shining to make an invalid argument.
Then dont come up with silly answers like do 2k glad or whatever beause what i play doesnt matter as well. The class is beyond strong, you accept it or not.
How exactly do you know about M+ when you dont play them?
I mean checking your armory gives me close to zero XP on what you talk about, how can i engage to a serious conversation?
Im not complaining, im just sarcasting.
On the other hand you complained that DH cant reach glad (tragedy!)
Why would they nerf an average class?
DH is top tier in neither raiding nor 3v3. In PvP it’s the bottom 2 class.
I’m not complaining. I’m simply saying that if you think that DH is faceroll and OP why don’t you try playing them?
I want you to try, to find out the real truth by yourself by experiencing them first hand.
Maybe you are right, and maybe everyone else here is wrong?
It is.
I will, when they add a healing spec on them cuz i main heals for years now.
I have one, for legacy raid purposes…
Did you see many people claiming DH is not op and that dh takes skill to play?
Except LFR Heroes that main dh? Because my guilds DHs that are top of the line if you even dare to ask them if DH is hard they will probably laugh at you for 20 mins xD.
What I see is people who have zero experience playing DH in any top content whining that they should “nerf them to the ground” or “delete the class”.
I never claimed that there is anything difficult about a DHs dps rotation - this thread is actually about reworking the playstyle and adding more complexity for Shadowlands.
What I oppose is the idea that DH is so OP and faceroll that simply creating one grants you a top placement. This is simply not true.
When it comes to the difficulty of the game (disregarding gear etc):
- Raiding is about learning and countering boss mechanics.
- M+ is about learning dungeon paths, avoiding packs, AoE and handling weekly affixes.
- PvP is where you need to use your toolkit to the fullest and know what enemy classes can or can’t do.
Playing a DH does not automatically grant you success in any of these areas, because the real difficulty is not the class but the game mechanics.
The exception is PvP where the toolkit of the class has the greatest impact.
You are very welcome to bring your DH friends here and then they can tell me how wrong I am.
Yep.They are right.
They dont have a rotation, they have a builder a spender and mini cd’s.
Its absolutely true. You should play M+ and do a few high keys and realize what im saying. There is no need to talk about it now as you probably wont understand?
Along with playing a class correctly to the max, when you have a builder a spender and mini cd’s you literally have no ration. AKA facerolling everything.
Im playing the DH of healers, Hpriest but unlike you i dont have SUPERdefensives and super mobility and i still consider my spec broken because of how much it can output in raiding with so minimal effort.
Im pretty sure that even if illidan would come right now and tell you how wrong you are, you would still trying to convince him 
They don’t need to claim anything. Arenamate shows DH is the bottom 2 class in 3v3 and raidlogs shows it’s average in DPS.
Sure, it’s great in M+, but they don’t and shouldn’t balance the game around 5 man content.
M+ is meaningless.
Not just great, top of the line.
For you, for me arenas are meaningless.
Good thing it’s not about you and me but about what content is important.
3v3 arenas and MRaids are the most prestigious, as they give titles and items that you can’t obtain otherwise. And that’s what they balance for.
Hence DH buffs.
Not just great, top of the line.
Rogues are better.
Exactly, so what is meaningless to you makes zero point.
Same goes for all of us ofc.
I mean i can understand you are a DH that argues with the absolute obvious, but just because youre not the best you need a buff?
Are you sane or just trolling? Doesnt work mate
Youre pressing 2 keys and another 2 on cd. For the utility defensive’s and mobility you have for the effort you give, you need nerfs and alot of them. Live with it.
In past 3 seasons yes, in S4 no way
But you already said you dont play anymore, hence your mistake.
I’m open-minded and I’ve been trying to give you all the opportunities I can to prove your point (either yourself or with your DH friends).
You are just coming with excuses and trying to insult me for no reason.
This “discussion” is over.
Not the best? Try bottom 2. That’s not ‘average’, that’s utter trash.
Blizzard clearly disagrees.
Insult?
As you can see here:
https ://www.warcraftlogs .com/zone/statistics/24#metric=dps&dataset=95&class=DPS
https ://raider. io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-4/all/world/leaderboards
Youre not bottom 2 melee.
Now you will roll over to PVP again to justify your OMG BUFF ME claims and so we will keep making circles and arguing about the obvious, because…DH