I’ve been thinking a little about how I’d like to see Havoc DH change going into Shadowlands. I’ve played Havoc exclusively since they released, and the most fun I had was with the momentum build of early legion.
I might add more to this list as I go along, and also keep in mind all of this is from a purely PvE perspective.
I’m not asking for a damage buff, I think DH as is doesn’t need it since we’re performing well in most, if not all situations currently. These are just things that I feel would be good gameplay for the specc, and should be balanced to net out about the same (if not lower DPS) as we currently have.
Things that should be baseline:
Demonic appetite
I would like to see this baseline because it adds some depth to the specc, in the way of pooling soul fragments for demonic windows. I’d like it retweaked to add more of a skill-roof and allow for bigger plays around pooling souls and popping them in a more controlled manner. Note: I think the healing factor of the souls you spawn should be removed, and added as a talent in the survivability row, the souls spawned from kills should work the same as live.
Demonic
Demonic has been the go-to talent of the 110 row for so long now, it feels part of the class and works well with the fantasy, as well as the animation for eye beam. I would like to see it baseline, with a possible nerf on the duration or power of the demonic meta vs metamorphosis meta. However along with other parts of the DH toolkit could allow for a BIG burst during the demonic windows.
Things that should be reworked:
Momentum
Momentum is my personal favorite DH talent, even though it hasn’t really been the top pick for a good, long while. I highly enjoyed the gameplay of using your movement abilities to increase DPS, and the talent raised the skill roof of the specc in a way that’s (afaik) unique to the DH.
I’d like to see it baseline, with or without possibly reworking the spell.
Perhaps in a way that buffs your next X attacks, kind of like Dark Slash currently does. This with the goal to allow for big burst during Demonic windows.
Perhaps a rework/combination of Momentum and First Blood and Dark Slash, were hitting a certain number of people with Fel Rush would increase damage and reduce cost of your next abilities.
Or lay more emphasis on souls spawned from Demonic Appetite, by empowering them via Fel Rush.
I don’t know, but there’s a lot that could be done with Momentum.
The Spenders
The Chaos Strike / Annihalation and Blade Dance / Death Sweep spam is (in my opinion) fun but also kind of carpal tunnel inducing, and it doesn’t leave me with a sense of satisfaction from doing the rotation properly.
I’d like something new here. Perhaps adding a third bigger spender to replace Demonic as a 110 talent.
My idea is a spell that would be empowered by the souls (or fury) spent since the last cast. Put it on a 1-1,5 minute CD (or have it cost a minimum of souls that would take around that time to collect) and give it an impovered version while in meta. With the goal to reward players that manage souls properly. Casting it would do something along the lines of: “Consume all currently available Soul fragments and deal X damage, increasing for each Soul fragment consumed.”
This would require quite a rework of the souls from Demonic Appetite to work, but I think it’s something that could really elevate the DH specc.
Don’t bother, this guy is just a crybaby and when you put actual data in front of him he’s a denial and starts personal attack.
To quote him from another DH thread :
Yet he still lurks here, so not only we have a clueless and stubborn person, hard to get an actual discussion with, his word is not even worth 1 copper.
Don’t bother, this guy is just a crybaby and when you put actual data in front of him he’s a denial and starts personal attack.Yet he still lurks here, so not only we have a clueless and stubborn person, hard to get an actual discussion with, his word is not even worth 1 copper.
As if devs would listen to this nonsense. i can say the same thing about you
My brothers and sisters, do not listen to these children, do not heed their words.
They are lost in their delusions, they have no idea how demon hunters play, at the very least if they knew the class their words would have value.
Rest assured that their words are without worth and without value to the balancing team, no matter how much they will cry nothing shall ever be done to appease them.
They bring no constructive criticism, they provide no constructive feedback, they have no interest in the class and they exist in our section of the forums only to be annoying children which were uneducated by their parents, spouting their nonsense and insults at us.
By ignoring their existence we prove to them and to ourselves that we are superior to them in every way.
Its not two button and you know it. Plus that every spec can be simplify to 2 buttons. A good DH will be there not for the DPS, but for the whole utility package brings.
There are other classes that are stronger and simple: BM hunter for example, but I never heard you to complain about it. BM does insane AOE, ST, it has mobility, can attack as range and hit instant as melee.
Lets back to DH: DH will dispel, stun, use dodges. These all are buttons from our rotation. Moreover, we can slow adds, tank and kitet instead of tanks.
Indeed, but they cant topping meters and spewing nonsense on the chat at the same time. That is t he difference!
For example BM has been good now for 2.5 months again?
Before that?
While 2 button king was a king for 4 seasons. A mandatory must have class allover the game. If you look around the forums, its not by luck but nobody likes that class.
Who dislike it ? Couple of people, considering the reality it is the most popular and liked class in the game.
Moreover, DH cannot top the meters. Lets be resonable, I play DH and I know. The only bosses in the raids that you actually can beat the rest are: Xanesh and Shad. Still other two button spec - fury (nobody complains aboutt them as well) can beat you there if played correctly.
For the rest of the bosses, if DH beats you then you are just bad. This is the simple truth. Moreover, BM was decent the whole expansion. As I said, and will say it again: you always will have 2 button class that will top the dps meters. This is what keeps people playing this game.
