As a healer, I’ve already been removed from groups twice, because the tank made irresponsible pulls and the group thought I wasn’t up to the task. Even if I weren’t, an additional debuff just adds to the pain. This phenomenon sheds light at the core problem, too: the extensive power and influence game designers entrusted tanks with. The tank can stand basically any beating, while the healer struggles to keep alive DPS and oneself. No good. I am considering to switch to DPS and let the tanks heal in dungeons, because it is getting too stressful.
Seems to work like Blizzard intwnded.
You couldnt handle pulls and group decided to replace you.
You now Had 2x30 minutes to reflect what you did wrong 
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As I’ve said a few times, there is always two sides to every single story that is posted on these forums.
So if you were kicked it was because of a reason and if 4 others voted to remove you, then it was warranted. The group doesn’t want to be hindered, and they choose to replace you with another healer.
No rules were broken. Yes, it does suck to be kicked from a group, but you’ll get over it, and you’ll move on, do some progression with your character and join another group once the debuff has expired.
But technically op did nothing wrong. Being not good is no reason to get a 30min q ban
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If there was no deserter buff for those removed everyone would demand to be removed to avoid any penalty.
This happened in the past, players would refuse to move or take part, would go afk.
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So unfortunately this happens, from what I’ve seen, when it’s mostly friend groups that you’re in. I’ve had this happen in DF when I was on my Warlock. Was fine, doing the dungeon, everything was smooth, but once the timeframe was over to start a votekick I was removed.
Sure, it sucks, but I don’t take it personally. I just laugh, say out loud how pathetic they are, and continue on with my day.
If you’ve been votekicked from 5 groups today, have you not asked then “Why, what happened?”. Sometime getting clarification helps to spot something you may have been doing, without really noticing, but others did.
I’ve not been vote kicked out of a group yet, but I’m sure it will happen at some point. Probably from a group who doesn’t like the speed I’m pulling or doesn’t like a route I’m taking etc.
People can be petty, and they will abuse a feature of a game if they believe it will annoy the person they’re doing it too.
Blizzard won’t introduce any kind of function to review vote kicks. Using an automated system will not be able to confirm if the vote kick was due to abuse or if it was valid. They can’t also say “well you’ve vote kicked too many people today, so no more vote kicking for you”. If they’re a friend group, they’ll just take turns to start the vote.
Also, they’ll never manully review these cases, as we no longer have any European departments for Blizzard as they were all closed down due to bobby wanting another several yachts.
So it’s just a bite your tongue and hope those people who are abusing the system, finally get bored and move onto something else, and we can all play in peace and get on with our character(s) progression.
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I have done about a hundred HC dungeons in TWW so far between two characters. I have seen TWO votekicks, and neither went through. I question that votekicks are frequent.
One was the result of the dps and tank squabbling and the tank trying to kick the dps. The second one was for a dps doing “trash dps”, which also didn’t go through.
If there was no penalty for getting votekicked, people would go afk whenever they want to leave a dungeon without a deserter debuff. It would also invite all sorts of undesirable behavior.
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If they refuse to play just kick them and problem solved, like, what’s the problem? 
If they do it again on another group they get kicked again until they eventually give up.
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No it does not solve the problem.
Also not all removed parties are innocent either. Some deserve that time out.
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It doesn’t matter if they are innocent or not, we are not supposed to be imparting justice in Azeroth, you remove whoever is not doing their job, you get a replacement and that solves the issue.
If someone is not behaving they will get kicked in every party until they do what people expect from them.
By that logic it shouldn’t matter to you that they get the deserter buff. you are not imparting justice. Just using the system as intended.
The game should not cater to the very worst people in the game and reward them for refusing to do content. So the system works.
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You are missing a big point, I do care because most people, myself included, have been victim of this horrendous system multiple times, so as long as it affects me, I do care.
I’m okay with people not wanting me in their group for whatever reason, I get kicked and I move on, the problem comes when the system assumes, without any evidence, that you actually deserve the kick, which in a lot of cases is not true, and then it punishes you even more for no absolutely no reason.
What this system does is basically create a hostage situation where you’re afraid to say or do anything, ESPECIALLY if you get matched with premades, because the consequence is that you lose 30 minutes of your paid sub with no right to complain.
A system like that needs to have some regulation, and if it doesn’t, then the debuff needs to be removed. People are innately abusive, especially in group, if you don’t set limits and punish accordingly they will 100% make abusive use, like they’ve been doing since this was implemented.
When the best advice you can give to someone pugging is to not talk, you know the system is messed up…
Also I’m kinda surprised that someone like you, who seems to be very understanding and empathic (sometimes too much for my taste) don’t mind run over innocent people to punish the bad apples.
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No system is perfect. Even in real life. With all the burden of proof and etc. do innocent people sometimes get jailed…or worse? Yes. But does that mean that we should just tear it down and make it “might makes it right” and full anarchy galore? No.
If you can come up with a system which 100% always punishes the bad person and never makes a mistake.
Forget WoW. Go for the “Nobels prize” in law instead…
Save your sarcasm for later, the perfect system has already been mentioned thousands of times.
Just leave the system as it is but give no debuff to whoever gets kicked.
- The good people who get kicked unfairly will be able to continue their journey.
- The bad apples will continuously get kicked and eventually give up and quit.
Ideally spend some money on staff for reviewing reports and punish abusers, but this point is optional, the systems works without this.
Voilà Blizzard pay me for fixing your game.
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Oh please. Do you think the bad apples will “be enlightened” and stop acting like jerks. They will simply go looking for another victim and another and another. They live off annoying other people.
30 mins “time out” in an ideal world should give them time to think about their behavior…but the most probably result is that other people get at least a 30 min respite from them.
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If you block someone you never get matched with it again, so the bad apples would eventually run out of people to play with.
Like I said, perfect system. 
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Again. They simply go looking for another victim. If you catch a thief and “give him some personal justice” but let him go free afterwards. At best he will leave you alone but will simply go looking for an easier mark instead.
You may be surprised, but having been playing through the introduction of LFD and it’s various punishment systems this is by far the best it’s been. It does not work when you remove the deserter punishment. Whether you are removed or leave it’s the same thing.
This has nothing to do with not sympathising with people for playing a specific race or wearing a particular transmog item and being removed. It’s just people don’t get to behave badly and be rewarded for that. Removing deserter would reward them. It would be a step back in progress the system made.
We simply don’t agree on this. Everyone has their own opinions and Blizzard are the only ones that make the decisions when it comes to systems.
Honestly bro it’s being flooded on forums now I don’t know if it’s new players coming into the new expansion but the troll kicking is a joke and it’s really unfair I hate how toxic the players in this game are and it’s entirely because behavior is not monitored so there are absolutely no repercussions
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You absolute idiot
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