Deserter debuff need a upgrade

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We gonna speak about this one :

When you leave a epic/random battleground, you can’t join an another epic / random battlegrounds.

Let’s make a reminder : World of Warcraft is a game.
So that mean if you got a urgent thing IRL or anything, if you are away or disconnected for 15 mn it go off, understandable.

Well i gonna show a second face of that spell :

  • It only last 15 minutes, that mean in random battleground the debuff can be shorter than the normal game. And for epic battlegrounds it is then better to leave a loosing game than staying in the game with hope.
  • It doesn’t affect arena : in case you can then tag on skirmishes or other type.
  • if you left battleground, you can tag in PvE ( Leveling dungeon for example or M+ ).

So usually i’m not the one who being salty when people got urgency : quite the contrary i prefer people do IRL urgency than playing the game.
But recently i see more abuse of the debuff than a good intention one.

Let’s tell me my experience of today with my leveling gnome hunter that spam only battlegrounds :

We are on Silvershards Mines, well 2 people missed the battlegrounds button because they were afk . So at the start of the game we are 8 . Some people see we are 8V10 and since this map need number of people on the cart to control cart in order to win , they understand that we are in situation of loosing : they leave the game ( 3 people).
We are 5v10.

4 other joins the battlegrounds latter : they see the score ( 58 - 654 ) and we are 9 versus 10. 3 people leave again. we are now 6v10.

And this all over the game we could never been full team, i finished with 14 kills 2 death i couldn’t do more about the game since the battleground need people in order to win.

So that fine if we don’t see the leaver again. But no : I found people that left in the next battlegrounds, and i see other that left at 3 mn of the end of the battlegrounds, that could join with other character.
Also people who left is ablt to tag in random dungeons or skirmishes.

That mean people got benefit to leave the game instead of getting negative effect.

So there’s 2 options that will make stop people leaving the game :

1. Leaving the game give you deserter, unable to do not join any PvP content for 2 hours, And this effect is applyable on all account character.

2. Leaving the game give you deserter, unable to join any content PvE / PvP for 45 minutes, applyable on all account character.

Deserter need seriusly a change. If you don’t fight against toxicity/salt , people who leave and etc. World of Warcraft will be know as a Game where people is toxic or leave the group everytime and people will become more selfish and will not tolerate any new player in time that learn.

Deserter need a change to help the good behavior instead of a bad behavior.

Thank for understanding :pray:

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I always liked the idea of longer deserters, 30 minutes of punishment is not equal to sadness or fury generated by key owner for ruined key. General leave count would be welcome, or something like leavers.io and it would gather data from every leave (leaving group before killing last boss) so leader would think twice if he wants a guy who is ruining people keys on daily basis.

Achievments are gathering strange and wide data, total deaths, deaths in raids etc, it would add “leave count” and third party site would read that count and show it to everyone.

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This then makes PvP queues longer, people eventually stop queuing as much as before which prolongs the wait for those who actually want to do a quick BG for example. Complaints ensue from an angry player base.

Will never happen. Once again there will be mass complaints and this will be abused by people who wish to kick others out for no good reason.

The whole punishment culture you’re looking to introduce doesn’t solve the issues that happen within instanced content, that is all related to player attitude.

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Leaving a key does not give you a 30 min deserter.

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You can’t kick easely people in epic/random battlegrounds.

if the player is doing something, then he cannot be kicked by people.

The only way to kick people in normal battlegrounds is to signal him afk.
and this happen :

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Just a figure of speech, no one cares about deserter in RDF or LFR, i wanted to bold that these punishments are made for abusers.

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Even longer punishment can be abused. I don’t want to be held hostage for 40 mins in a group that can’t go past 1st boss of FH because if I leave I get punished for 2 hrs.

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Neither people of your group want that.

The best way if you are experimented is to teach them how to beat the boss.

We all began somewhere, even today if you are R1 you are still learning.

Teaching is one of the good thing in MMORPG too.

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The level of obtuseness in this post is staggering.

I afk bg’s because I don’t play losing games with losers. Simples. I am under no obligation to waste my time carrying Jimmy Nu120, because he thinks it’s acceptable to queue for casual pvp in ilvl 370. I am under no obligation to help bots farm honour. I am under no obligation to do the work of 5 players because half my team are herp-derp kill farming while horde complete objectives, scratching their heads wondering wtf the other side are doing. I am under no obligation to lead entire teams by the hand and tell them what to do (tried that, no-one listens) when there’s gazillions of videos online that show you how to play. I am under no obligation to sacrifice my time (and money) to engage in an activity that is providing no benefit for me, because it might hurt someone’s feelz.

Imho, the deserter debuff needs to go, not become more punitive and as for your suggestion that this should affect folks ability to engage in PvE content…I have no words.

I suggest you suck less and play better, because you’ll find shock horror that people don’t leave good games. This is clearly a, “L2PLAY” issue.

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What I’d recommend is that you don’t pop a vein while doing random BG’s, because in the end they’re very casual content. Emphasis on the word casual. No, not competitive. You have rated BG’s for that. That’s all.

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There are always people like you, saying the same sentence about being hostage, if you don’t want to risk being hostage just don’t PUG, because PUG is always risky on different levels, people can struggle with bosses and trash but kill them even one by one and finally manage to kill last boss. Finishing dungeon even after timer is still better than leaving and creating that small cloud of toxicity behind you.

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Player A enters AB, decides to defend stables as its empty so an easy steal, while they do this other players report him for being afk even though Player A is fully there and ready to engage in combat. Combat doesn’t happen within the 1 minute after being flagged by the other players and Player A is removed from the group.

Player A now has to wait 45 minutes due your solution. This solution would open up for more abuse, there will be more complaints and more tickets raised for GMs to deal with. The current system is better than your proposal.

Look at my example, the player is doing something but because its not considered combat they get removed through no fault of their own.

Do you mean experienced?

Trying to teach other players how to do beat a boss doesn’t always end well. Some listen but don’t do what you’ve explained, some ignore you and some get angry because they assume you’re looking down on them. Very rarely do I see people who actually appreciate the help unless they’re new to a role (tank/heal/dps) or a new player to the game.

If I’ve explained several times to someone how to deal with a boss and they still run in and do the same stuff they did before I’m in no way obliged to stay and repeat the same thing over and over because I’ve already done all I can to improve the chances of downing the boss.

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I agree with this, if it is in Normal/Hc/Mythic or even up to a +10ish, but after than, a minimum level is imo expected, rightly so imo.

Another thing to add, that is not strictly to this topic, but still connected imo. Some people do not want to learn, or listen to anyone with more experience, no matter how nice you are about it. I have experienced a few times where people inisist on doing it their own way, no matter if it works or not, these people cannot be helped, and being stuck in such a group is not fair on anyone.

This i have had happen to be me in AD where people refused to run away from Rezan when he tried to eat them, no matter how i explained it, they would/could not do it, and refused to listen, it was just “moar dps!!!”

Also tried it on first boss in KR, refused to move with liquid gold or the boss, when i tried to explain mechanics it was “do moar DPS!”

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What’s the objective of that line ?

To insult/ offend me ?

Please you are on a forums, that line isn’t needed to value your argument.
Each people have a point of views. No need to hate someone that don’t have the same point of you than yours.

explain what you mean by “losers” .

For me looser is someone that claim loose when the game haven’t been finished.

There’s no obligation to make you press the button “Random battlegrounds”.
At the moment you accept the queue of random battlegrounds, you accept to be with thoses people. You accept that there’s people with differents level.

This is your choice to join the random battlegrounds.

If you want to be that much picky and only asking for gladiator level, Ranked battlegrounds is for you.

That why i maked 2 solution instead of 1.
1 that affect PvP only .
1 that affect both of them for reduced timer.

Ah oh … AH ! Uhmm … I don’t hide my profile for nothing , you can check my armory if you want , it’s openbar to see my armory.

And i remind that battlegrounds is 10 versus 10. That mean 1V10 will not make you win as explained in OP post. That mean you need teamplay → need a team → need people in order to win.

Again you try to insult / offend me in wich objective ?
Should i falg your post for trying to insult me ?

Well let’s see if you can edit your post with a better behavior.

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Same can be said about people like you, expecting people to waste 2 hours in their dungeon.

If it is a weekly i can agree, but even in that case I am not going to waste hours there just cause it is a weekly.

If we fail a key and we are almost done of course I am gonna finish it, but if people keep screwing up and the timer is gone and we are not even at the second boss well I leave. Especially if I join things that state “pushing”.

Call me toxic if it makes you feel better I am not going to waste half of my playtime of the day on a single key with people that are not capable of doing it.

You care so much about key owner being infuriated but I made some weekly groups not caring about rio and it happened i left my own key because I grouped up 3 dps that were completely garbage and boss were not going down.

If you want people to stick with you as long as it is needed, pugging is not the place to look at.

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The trick is to do not stand by.

I got a very high amount of game i played when i defend base, the trick is you cannot get the debuff if you call inc / if you take buff and use spells .

Defending even if no player come does not mean you are AFK. Quite the contrary being in Defense mean you have to call every inc for other base.

If people report you as afk, that mean you are really afk.

Everyone want everything ending well.

No one i think in the world want to purely make everything that will not end well.

At least you tryed.

It’s the intention that count. Not the result.
I know some people does not react well. But your action of trying to help is a better one than being salty and toxic, making the result less enjoyable than if you helped and teached those people.

This is not about the result. This is about how you will solve it.

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Not everyone knows or thinks about this, they can be removed through no fault of their own still because of this.

No, it really doesn’t in some cases and that is the point you’re missing.

No way!

Of course people want everything to end well, no one enters a dungeon and decides they want to wipe on boss 2 over and over.

But it really is about the result, if the objective cannot be achieved and you’ve tried teaching people to do the objective then there is nothing further you can do meaning the result is negative/a failure. Why would anyone waste their own time after this? That would make no sense if you cannot progress further.

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There was a situation recently where I was playing healer in Warsong Gulch. I defended our flag carrier in our base and the rest of the team voted me AFK and removed me from the BG because I am not fighting in the middle with them all.

This got me deserter debuff - for actively trying to play and win!

I also leave certain bgs as soon as they begin, Wintergrasp is a classic example. I refuse to play at times and I still would with a 2 hour debuff, it just locks me from being able to do another BG as soon.

I don’t think the debuff should exist at all whilst it’s easy for players to remove you and give deserter.

The system definently needs to be improved to promote better behaviour and teamwork but I do not feel it revolves around this debuff. If you are keeping players there against their will it’s going to result in Korrak 2.0 - “let them win” Just so players can leave.

I think a potentially stronger system overall is better matchmaking, be that a casual rating system or grouping by ilvl.

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I don’t play quote wars. I haven’t got Alzheimers and am well aware of what I’ve typed, so your paragraph by paragraph rebuttal is superfluous.

There is no obligation to stay in a battleground that is being played badly, so I exercise my freedom of choice by choosing to leave and eating the 15 min deserter. Just because I am not playing rated, doesn’t mean I accept some sort of unwritten contract to stay and play with scrubs because I queue random.

As for your threats to report me for posting violations, knock yourself out. I suggest you grow up and get a thicker skin. If you don’t do adulting, don’t engage in adulting activities, such as debates on the Internet. People will disagree with you and question your motives for having the opinions that you do - that’s life. Get over it. There isn’t always a mommy or a moderator to go crying to because someone hurt your fee fees.

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Buff it to give deserter till daily reset :joy: