I have literally not quit a single group finder at this point for years. I queue, find myself in a group that is repeatedly wiping on Razsagath, some idiot pulls the boss without a readycheck, more than half the group is dead after the first breath and hurricane winds, the healing is none existant, the other tank doesnt taunt when required and I decide that with well over half the group not even knowing the P1 mechanics this far into the tier (I know them all have resubbed a few weeks ago), this will just be an extraordinary waste of time. We died so fast (and had died so fast on wipes prior to joining) that the group didnt have a single stack of determination.
So I did the reasonable thing, cut my losses and quit. I get booted from all the queues I was already in and slapped with a 30 minute debuff.
Blizz, stop this crap. Punitive measures should be for serial offenders. Those who seldom quit groups should be given the benefit of the doubt. Expecting people to persevere when joining an already failing group and when more than half the 25 man group doesnt know essential and basic mechanics is totally unreasonable. I didnt ask to be lumped in with inept players. I wanted a full clear of the wing (though I have usually been given part completed runs the first time I queue on a character, and every other time stuck it out), you dumped me with a group which demonstrably wasnt succeeding before I arrived, not only wasting my time queuing in the first place, but adding a further 30 minute delay onto me requeuing again.
These are people who cant be arsed watching a 3 minute video. Why should I spend 1 hour or more banging my head against a wall, waiting for enough of the inept players to either quit or be conclusively identified and then booted until we can finally get over the line? Its ridiculous. The group I was in simply could not do the boss. Even if we started stacking determination, 5 stacks wouldnt be enough. No one should be punished for bailing from that.
So
You JUST joined a group.
Someone ninja pulled for whatever reason.
Obvioulsy people where not ready so wipe.
Its LFR so its a bit messy
And instead of trying to get it done, you instantly leave.
And now you are angry you got the debuff? This is WHY you get the Debuff.
I have killed RAZ Raidfinder about three times. You know how?
I started spamming tactics.
I started asking people a about tactics.
I did a pre-raid check.
I assumed leadership.
Still took an hour, its LFR Raz, worse then any mythic boss. But you KNOW THIS in advance when you join.
Yeah, even allowing for the ninja pull, if you dont understand that the breath and hurricane winds are lethal, and this is NOT the first attempt for the group, its completely hopeless. The other tank not taunting wasnt because he was AFK, its because he was clueless. Yes, thats right, a tank queuing for LFR without even knowing the tank swap, a mechanic that exists on literally every single boss fight in LFR.
The only way this group would ever down the boss is if large numbers of players either left or were booted and replaced with people not entirely incompetent. You were easily looking at a dozen + wipes. Why should I be expected to endure that?
And I have killed Raz 4 times in total with 3 different characters. I stuck around on those occasions (not a single one took less than 5 tries). But when more than half the raid doesnt know P1, there is no way that will be anything other than a miserable waste of time.
I use group finder all the time and to repeat, literally havent quit a group early in YEARS. The fact that no allowance is made for the fact, and I am treated as at fault automatically is absurd.
If you think spending 1 hour killing 1 boss this far into a tier is a productive use of your time, good for you. I would sooner take the debuff.
But its patently unreasonable to enforce this on everyone. And no, joining LFR is not a tacit agreement to spend an hour or wiping on a single boss. LFR is a roulette, and sometimes you just get too many bad players for it to work. People should be free to leave. If they are the common denominator, fine, punish them. But if its literally the first time in years and they have used the group finder plenty of times recently without a single quit, then they, as I did, likely had good reason for quitting.